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Post #114,363

8/19/03 4:21:01 PM

deposit accepted :-)

This is good input....

Question on this:

"I use vi is because it doesn't fence you into a beginners mode"

Ok, the comment above is fair enough. But, what if one were a
beginner? Is vi(m) appropriate or overwhelming? Which editor
would be good for a noob?

Also, do you want to be quoted in print? If so, got title/company?

Thank you,
-Slugbug

Post #114,520

8/20/03 8:03:53 AM

Gotta think about that...

Question on this:

"I use vi is because it doesn't fence you into a beginners mode"

Ok, the comment above is fair enough. But, what if one were a
beginner? Is vi(m) appropriate or overwhelming? Which editor
would be good for a noob?

(Trying to be quotable...) It is an unfortunate truth that vi requires some persistence to learn. Pair programming makes this easier, incidentally, as does the desire to "do tricks" with it that you may see a vi-expert do. Fortunately, Vim specifically makes learning it easier in two ways: it knows about cursor keys, which makes the learning curve a bit easier, plus it has a tutorial called vimtutor which teaches you the basics. ]

I personally found that vi was easiest to learn when it was the most capable editor available. It was on a university box where the alternative was ed (line editing was done with regexps!).

Also, do you want to be quoted in print? If so, got title/company?

I will have to check. We're only a small company, so titles are somewhat indistinct.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed

Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

Post #114,661

8/20/03 10:57:27 PM

Quoting okay.

I would be Senior Developer at Excido Pty Ltd.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed

Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

Post #115,047

8/23/03 10:20:43 AM

Thanks very much!

Care to be quotable on code editors? - (slugbug) - (75) - Aug. 18, 2003, 11:15:05 PM EDT

Sounds like you want to talk to our admin. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Aug. 18, 2003, 11:26:36 PM EDT

I'll give it a shot - (tjsinclair) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 01:08:46 AM EDT

Thanks.... - (slugbug) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:51:26 PM EDT

Teaching is a slightly different issue - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:19 PM EDT

Teaching - use whatever you like - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:47:24 AM EDT

I do that as well - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 20, 2003, 01:47:58 PM EDT

rofl - (deSitter) - Aug. 20, 2003, 01:46:22 PM EDT

Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 12:54:16 AM EDT

no blame here.... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:54:46 PM EDT

of course! - (deSitter) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:43:52 PM EDT

rofl -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 09:41:58 PM EDT

Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (gdaustin) - (9) - Aug. 19, 2003, 12:56:56 AM EDT

I diverged. Here's the list. - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:04:59 AM EDT

This is great...thank you! -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:07:02 PM EDT

great input...compare utilities? - (slugbug) - (6) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:05:40 PM EDT

Compare Utilities - (gdaustin) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:25:42 PM EDT

On Second Thought - (gdaustin) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:01 PM EDT

Ok either way.... -NT - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:58:04 PM EDT

How far out is the article? - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:00:18 PM EDT

It running.... - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 09:57:03 PM EDT

opendiff on OS X is the best I've ever used - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:12:12 PM EDT

OK - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:37:25 AM EDT

best tool for the job.... - (slugbug) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:13:51 PM EDT

Debuggers... - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:21:11 PM EDT

I really need one - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:00:54 PM EDT

PB stops working on projects above a certain size - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:08:32 PM EDT

Often overlooked - (deSitter) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:11:52 PM EDT

2c deposited... - (static) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:58:58 AM EDT

deposit accepted :-) - (slugbug) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:21:01 PM EDT

Gotta think about that... - (static) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:03:53 AM EDT

Quoting okay. - (static) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:57:27 PM EDT

Thanks very much! -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 10:20:43 AM EDT

I'll come back to this, but... - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 08:13:51 AM EDT

so, maybe there is a more fundamental question.... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:30:52 PM EDT

That's a physical description... - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:39:22 PM EDT

I use Emacs, - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:10:17 AM EDT

but, but, but.... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:37:54 PM EDT

Data point: - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:43:14 PM EDT

I will let you know in 4 years :) - (Arkadiy) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:52:54 PM EDT

Well in a Windows World... - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:11:37 PM EDT

Forgot that one... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:39 PM EDT

Yes I meant Fast.... - (folkert) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:54:35 PM EDT

My necessities - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:02:57 AM EDT

good info... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:46:48 PM EDT

The problem I have with most IDE editors is the keymapping - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:49:54 PM EDT

And the answer is... - (admin) - (24) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:42:35 AM EDT

So.... - (slugbug) - (22) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:54:15 PM EDT

Re: So.... - (admin) - (20) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:04:33 PM EDT

Appropriate title? - (ChrisR) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:21:53 PM EDT

No.... for you, it's "Sir". ;-) -NT - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:24:28 PM EDT

titles, brilliant kids, and comparing programmers..... - (slugbug) - (10) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:12:40 PM EDT

Pointy clicky... - (admin) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:31:21 PM EDT

Definitely with Scott on this one... - (gdaustin) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:18:17 PM EDT

Disagree RE GUI development - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:29:04 AM EDT

I like your Law so much I twikified it. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2003, 05:08:37 PM EDT

heh - cool -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:42:36 PM EDT

What he said... - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:02:42 AM EDT

People buying the software... - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:45:54 PM EDT

And the congregation said: - (folkert) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:50:10 PM EDT

Of Mice and Programmers... - (static) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:24:34 AM EDT

Well, then in THAT case - (FuManChu) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:03:50 AM EDT

Re: So.... - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:24:54 PM EDT

Nope. - (admin) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:58:42 AM EDT

Re: So.... - (JimWeirich) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:18:59 AM EDT

I modified the code... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:40:03 PM EDT

Scott... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:07:44 AM EDT

Re: Scott... - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:24:31 AM EDT

thanks... - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 03:54:18 PM EDT

Re: So.... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:09:45 PM EDT

I'm still a vim man...but I respect what emacs can do. - (Simon_Jester) - Aug. 21, 2003, 10:25:35 PM EDT

emacs and visual slickedit - (hnick) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:38:01 PM EDT

Split-screen is nice in a text environment too... -NT - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:45:39 PM EDT

Aww, c'mon. This is always how the wars start! - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 25, 2003, 11:09:31 PM EDT

Yeah, forgot about paren automatch. - (admin) - Aug. 25, 2003, 11:14:30 PM EDT

Are there still people who work without syntax coloring? - (drewk) - Aug. 26, 2003, 11:06:17 AM EDT

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