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New Re: Question about your interpretation of religion.
gtall: "Islam, Christianity, even the many forms of Hinduism will provide that for the person who's incapable of enough introspection to find their own way in the world."

brettj: "Are you repeating what Ted Turner said, "Religion is for losers"?

No. It's the difference between a necessary and sufficient condition. For some, it is sufficient, it is those I worry about because they are then susceptible to seeing everything through religious eyes. For most of us, it is necessary, simply to arrive at any moral bearings. But most religions are intollerant of other religions, at least in practice. So how far is one to take one's religion. If it is to the extent that one begins to live in the next life before this one, then I contend that is going way overboard and leads to religious extremism.

As to you reading into the statement as far as you did, I didn't intend your intrepretation. Logic has nothing to do with it.
Gerard Allwein
New Thanks for the polite response.
I was hoping that I misunderstood your statement and I tend to agree with your view.
The thing that really disturbed me about Jehovah's Witnesses was that they are an apocoliptic sect that hopes for armageddon so that things can get better. Me, I have always dreamed of world peace and believe that paradise can be found on earth, but only if people are tolerant of other peace loving people. Some people don't have much tolerance, religious or atheist.

Apparently we share a similar view. Peace.
     Roots Of Rage: U.S. policy mixed with Islamic triumphalism? - (brettj) - (46)
         The alternatives to meddling. - (marlowe)
         Re: Roots Of Rage: U.S. policy mixed with Islamic triumphali - (gtall) - (44)
             '73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well. - (Ashton) - (1)
                 Re: '73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well. - (Steve Lowe)
             Good Intentions != Good Perceptions - (tablizer) - (41)
                 However... - (a6l6e6x) - (31)
                     oil and water? - (tablizer) - (2)
                         Well, we've got our problems here in the US. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                             Thou sayest.. - (Ashton)
                     Re: However... - (gtall) - (27)
                         IIRC Mahatir binM was interviewed on PBS some years back - (Ashton) - (11)
                             Re: IIRC Mahatir binM was interviewed on PBS some years back - (gtall) - (10)
                                 Re: I concur with your picture of Indonesia & Malaysia - (dmarker2)
                                 Concur with the ideas - (Ashton)
                                 Question about your interpretation of religion. - (brettj) - (7)
                                     Logic obviously tellls us... - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                         I took your bait once ... - (brettj) - (1)
                                             If you *could* "take my bait", I'd have to throw you back... - (CRConrad)
                                         I would say no more than 40% of Americans are losers. - (marlowe) - (1)
                                             How DARE you criticize... - (CRConrad)
                                     Re: Question about your interpretation of religion. - (gtall) - (1)
                                         Thanks for the polite response. - (brettj)
                         Sure, as soon as you make Taiwan a State. What, ain't gonna? - (CRConrad) - (14)
                             A piece of Turkey is in Europe, CRC. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                 Yeah, I know, the bit around Mikkelgarth[*]. And I'm sure... - (CRConrad)
                             Well, I don't know 'zactly what Hawaii is . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                 It's an archipelago. HTH! :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                     That's pronounced, "archipelago". HTH! :-) -NT - (tseliot)
                             Re: Sure, as soon as you make Taiwan a State. What, ain't go - (gtall) - (8)
                                 I don't think you quite understand the issues here. - (CRConrad) - (7)
                                     Arnt you folks overrun by turks as it is? - (boxley)
                                     Re: I don't think you quite understand the issues here. - (gtall) - (1)
                                         mfff, snort, ROFL! this could get good. -NT - (boxley)
                                     United States of Europe? - (admin) - (3)
                                         Dunno, but I think it's at least not quite impossible - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                             The French? - (wharris2)
                                             More like the United kindoms of Greater Briton :) -NT - (boxley)
                 Re: Good Intentions != Good Perceptions - (wharris2) - (8)
                     You are too kind. - (Ashton) - (7)
                         Please get your masses right. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                             Re: Please get your masses right. - (Ashton) - (5)
                                 Your missing something Ash. - (Silverlock) - (4)
                                     So are you and, above all, they. Here's the fallacy: - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                         Well, ..... of course. - (Silverlock)
                                     Not missing it, nor do I argue with that narrow thesis - (Ashton)
                                     SUV Safety - (pwhysall)

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