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Post #10,856
by tablizer
9/28/01 9:08:28 PM
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New oil and water?

>> Granted, these countries are overwhelmingly Muslim and have significant problems with fundamentalist Muslims. <<

I wonder if the world will split into a clearer distinction between fundamentalists and secularists.

Straddling in the middle is proving harder and harder for many governments. They might start either expelling the fundamentalists or succumbing.

That eery cold-war feeling is cropping back.

At least the soviets were generally not ones to destroy the entire world to quicken their access to 70 virgins.





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Post #10,861
by a6l6e6x
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9/28/01 9:33:22 PM
9/29/01 4:27:37 PM
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New Well, we've got our problems here in the US.
The Christian fundamentalists have been awfully political in the last quarter century and have made a "full court press" on the Republican party and governments at all levels in general.
Alex
Whom the gods destroy, they first make mad. -- Euripides
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Post #10,863
by Ashton
9/28/01 9:52:25 PM
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New Thou sayest..
My view is that the parallels are biting us on the nose. Fundament-alists' methods are here simply adapted to our vulnerabilities:

Exploit the 24/7 two-working parents fact of Corporate hegemony - use your leisure time to pack school boards, waste their energies in combatting prayers in school; 'Creation science' and other patent religious dogma.

Parlay the chaos sown into rendering the public school system even less effective than it has become = kill it finally, by sending voucher money. Thus end the ideal of Murican Founding Mothers - an education for all. (But please to call it: 'for bizness efficiency')

Instead get: hundreds of sects, raising new little partisans for God, all unaware of the diversity of 'beliefs' out there = all unaware of any idea of community.

(And that's just One parallel with the aims of such as the Taliban, and Ayatollahs everywhere - right here) Methinks 'fundamentalism' is the folder; Taliban, Ayatollah, bin Laden or Foulwell - just the files within.


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     Roots Of Rage: U.S. policy mixed with Islamic triumphalism? - (brettj) - (46) - Sept. 28, 2001, 08:41:07 AM EDT
         The alternatives to meddling. - (marlowe) - Sept. 28, 2001, 01:06:22 PM EDT
         Re: Roots Of Rage: U.S. policy mixed with Islamic triumphali - (gtall) - (44) - Sept. 28, 2001, 01:14:01 PM EDT
             '73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well. - (Ashton) - (1) - Sept. 28, 2001, 06:07:55 PM EDT
                 Re: '73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well. - (Steve Lowe) - Oct. 1, 2001, 11:26:29 AM EDT
             Good Intentions != Good Perceptions - (tablizer) - (41) - Sept. 28, 2001, 07:40:15 PM EDT
                 However... - (a6l6e6x) - (31) - Sept. 28, 2001, 08:05:20 PM EDT
                     oil and water? - (tablizer) - (2) - Sept. 28, 2001, 09:08:28 PM EDT
                         Well, we've got our problems here in the US. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Sept. 29, 2001, 04:27:37 PM EDT
                             Thou sayest.. - (Ashton) - Sept. 28, 2001, 09:52:25 PM EDT
                     Re: However... - (gtall) - (27) - Sept. 29, 2001, 09:25:25 AM EDT
                         IIRC Mahatir binM was interviewed on PBS some years back - (Ashton) - (11) - Sept. 29, 2001, 02:17:54 PM EDT
                             Re: IIRC Mahatir binM was interviewed on PBS some years back - (gtall) - (10) - Sept. 29, 2001, 07:44:36 PM EDT
                                 Re: I concur with your picture of Indonesia & Malaysia - (dmarker2) - Sept. 30, 2001, 12:09:18 AM EDT
                                 Concur with the ideas - (Ashton) - Sept. 30, 2001, 03:37:03 AM EDT
                                 Question about your interpretation of religion. - (brettj) - (7) - Sept. 30, 2001, 04:08:51 PM EDT
                                     Logic obviously tellls us... - (CRConrad) - (4) - Sept. 30, 2001, 05:39:03 PM EDT
                                         I took your bait once ... - (brettj) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2001, 05:41:32 PM EDT
                                             If you *could* "take my bait", I'd have to throw you back... - (CRConrad) - Sept. 30, 2001, 05:51:52 PM EDT
                                         I would say no more than 40% of Americans are losers. - (marlowe) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2001, 05:56:08 PM EDT
                                             How DARE you criticize... - (CRConrad) - Oct. 1, 2001, 06:19:21 PM EDT
                                     Re: Question about your interpretation of religion. - (gtall) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2001, 07:56:49 AM EDT
                                         Thanks for the polite response. - (brettj) - Oct. 1, 2001, 10:49:18 AM EDT
                         Sure, as soon as you make Taiwan a State. What, ain't gonna? - (CRConrad) - (14) - Sept. 30, 2001, 05:36:30 PM EDT
                             A piece of Turkey is in Europe, CRC. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2001, 08:38:22 PM EDT
                                 Yeah, I know, the bit around Mikkelgarth[*]. And I'm sure... - (CRConrad) - Oct. 1, 2001, 09:10:45 AM EDT
                             Well, I don't know 'zactly what Hawaii is . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Sept. 30, 2001, 11:21:02 PM EDT
                                 It's an archipelago. HTH! :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2001, 09:04:12 AM EDT
                                     That's pronounced, "archipelago". HTH! :-) -NT - (tseliot) - Oct. 1, 2001, 12:37:48 PM EDT
                             Re: Sure, as soon as you make Taiwan a State. What, ain't go - (gtall) - (8) - Oct. 1, 2001, 10:16:30 AM EDT
                                 I don't think you quite understand the issues here. - (CRConrad) - (7) - Oct. 1, 2001, 11:33:05 AM EDT
                                     Arnt you folks overrun by turks as it is? - (boxley) - Oct. 1, 2001, 12:09:33 PM EDT
                                     Re: I don't think you quite understand the issues here. - (gtall) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2001, 07:47:32 AM EDT
                                         mfff, snort, ROFL! this could get good. -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 3, 2001, 10:09:57 AM EDT
                                     United States of Europe? - (admin) - (3) - Oct. 3, 2001, 10:16:32 AM EDT
                                         Dunno, but I think it's at least not quite impossible - (CRConrad) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2001, 12:17:36 PM EDT
                                             The French? - (wharris2) - Oct. 3, 2001, 12:49:37 PM EDT
                                             More like the United kindoms of Greater Briton :) -NT - (boxley) - Oct. 3, 2001, 12:53:09 PM EDT
                 Re: Good Intentions != Good Perceptions - (wharris2) - (8) - Sept. 29, 2001, 09:51:47 AM EDT
                     You are too kind. - (Ashton) - (7) - Sept. 29, 2001, 02:24:42 PM EDT
                         Please get your masses right. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Sept. 29, 2001, 05:01:36 PM EDT
                             Re: Please get your masses right. - (Ashton) - (5) - Sept. 29, 2001, 06:43:53 PM EDT
                                 Your missing something Ash. - (Silverlock) - (4) - Oct. 1, 2001, 09:40:46 AM EDT
                                     So are you and, above all, they. Here's the fallacy: - (CRConrad) - (1) - Oct. 1, 2001, 09:56:50 AM EDT
                                         Well, ..... of course. - (Silverlock) - Oct. 1, 2001, 10:19:11 AM EDT
                                     Not missing it, nor do I argue with that narrow thesis - (Ashton) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:35:25 PM EDT
                                     SUV Safety - (pwhysall) - Oct. 3, 2001, 04:41:33 PM EDT

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