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New '73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well.
And (even I) made it a point to look around, each year for about (5?) afterwards: for * signs of intelligent life in the universe.

* Lily Tomlin has her show of that name, in San Francisco this week IIRC. Laugh-In had our number too well, in the late '60s -- so the network had to kill it, of course.

After about six months, and the return of unlimited oil-at-Any-price for the 12 mpg Detroit iron of the day: we went back to sleep (nothwithstanding the occasional pious speech from this one or that one, admonishing ustoplanahead).

Nothing I've owned since (or then, actually) has produced <25 mpg except for: the '70 Buick Riviera I bought for a song, at the height of the 'discomfort': sold a year later for $1000+ profit. I deem this one transaction as adequate evidence of our attention span then, and since. Buick weighed 5000#, which I thought then was ludicrous.

Drive hard: *6 mpg* for that car. Drive really carefully: maybe 13 on a trip. Anyone notice the mileage of the Popular Urban assault Vehicles of the new millennium? (7300# for the Explorer)
(umm QED?)

Hydrogen, hybrids, ... lots of ideas have been around since before '73. We (generally) do not care about 'conservation' of any resource - only consumption, comfort and amusement / distraction.

Did 9/11 alter our deeply ingrained MO, more than momentarily?
Place bets.


Ashton
Collapse Edited by Missing User 70 Sept. 28, 2001, 06:07:55 PM EDT
'73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well.
And (even I) made it a point to look around, each year for about (5?) afterwards: for * signs of intelligent life in the universe. * Lily Tomlin has her show of that name, in San Francisco this week IIRC. Laugh-In had our number too well, in the late '60s -- so the network had to kill it, of course. After about six months, and the return of unlimited oil-at-Any-price for the 12 mpg Detroit iron of the day: we went back to sleep (nothwithstanding the occasional pious speech from this one or that one, admonishing ustoplanahead). Nothing I've owned since (or then, actually) has produced <25 mpg except for: the '70 Buick Riviera I bought for a song, at the height of the 'discomfort': sold a year later for $1000+ profit. I deem this one transaction as adequate evidence of our attention span then, and since. Hydrogen, hybrids, ... lots of ideas have been around since before '73. We (generally) do not care about 'conservation' of any resource - only consumption, comfort and amusement / distraction. Did 9/11 alter our deeply ingrained MO, more than momentarily? Place bets. Ashton
New Re: '73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well.
Explorer = 4334 lbs (4wd, loaded)
Expedition = 5198 lbs (4wd, loaded)
Excursion = 7087 lbs (4wd, loaded)

(from consumerguide.com)

I've always suspected the "7300# for the Explorer" figure you've been throwing around was grossly overstated. Actually, I'm no fan of Explorers, -peditions, -cursions either, just wanted to set the record straight.
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Steve
     Roots Of Rage: U.S. policy mixed with Islamic triumphalism? - (brettj) - (46)
         The alternatives to meddling. - (marlowe)
         Re: Roots Of Rage: U.S. policy mixed with Islamic triumphali - (gtall) - (44)
             '73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well. - (Ashton) - (1)
                 Re: '73 oil embargo.. Ah yes, I remember it well. - (Steve Lowe)
             Good Intentions != Good Perceptions - (tablizer) - (41)
                 However... - (a6l6e6x) - (31)
                     oil and water? - (tablizer) - (2)
                         Well, we've got our problems here in the US. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                             Thou sayest.. - (Ashton)
                     Re: However... - (gtall) - (27)
                         IIRC Mahatir binM was interviewed on PBS some years back - (Ashton) - (11)
                             Re: IIRC Mahatir binM was interviewed on PBS some years back - (gtall) - (10)
                                 Re: I concur with your picture of Indonesia & Malaysia - (dmarker2)
                                 Concur with the ideas - (Ashton)
                                 Question about your interpretation of religion. - (brettj) - (7)
                                     Logic obviously tellls us... - (CRConrad) - (4)
                                         I took your bait once ... - (brettj) - (1)
                                             If you *could* "take my bait", I'd have to throw you back... - (CRConrad)
                                         I would say no more than 40% of Americans are losers. - (marlowe) - (1)
                                             How DARE you criticize... - (CRConrad)
                                     Re: Question about your interpretation of religion. - (gtall) - (1)
                                         Thanks for the polite response. - (brettj)
                         Sure, as soon as you make Taiwan a State. What, ain't gonna? - (CRConrad) - (14)
                             A piece of Turkey is in Europe, CRC. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
                                 Yeah, I know, the bit around Mikkelgarth[*]. And I'm sure... - (CRConrad)
                             Well, I don't know 'zactly what Hawaii is . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
                                 It's an archipelago. HTH! :-) -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                     That's pronounced, "archipelago". HTH! :-) -NT - (tseliot)
                             Re: Sure, as soon as you make Taiwan a State. What, ain't go - (gtall) - (8)
                                 I don't think you quite understand the issues here. - (CRConrad) - (7)
                                     Arnt you folks overrun by turks as it is? - (boxley)
                                     Re: I don't think you quite understand the issues here. - (gtall) - (1)
                                         mfff, snort, ROFL! this could get good. -NT - (boxley)
                                     United States of Europe? - (admin) - (3)
                                         Dunno, but I think it's at least not quite impossible - (CRConrad) - (2)
                                             The French? - (wharris2)
                                             More like the United kindoms of Greater Briton :) -NT - (boxley)
                 Re: Good Intentions != Good Perceptions - (wharris2) - (8)
                     You are too kind. - (Ashton) - (7)
                         Please get your masses right. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                             Re: Please get your masses right. - (Ashton) - (5)
                                 Your missing something Ash. - (Silverlock) - (4)
                                     So are you and, above all, they. Here's the fallacy: - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                         Well, ..... of course. - (Silverlock)
                                     Not missing it, nor do I argue with that narrow thesis - (Ashton)
                                     SUV Safety - (pwhysall)

Your entire eulogy was just your bartender telling a coroner, "Yeah, I think that's Britney."
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