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Post #103,345 by tuberculosis 5/23/03 11:14:34 PM Reply	Not convinced You keep taking one little aspect per message and - yes - by itself each item isn't so bad. But its cumulative and, as a complete package, the sum is stupider than the parts. So I'm not going to bother with this anymore. You clearly have your hammer - go pound your nails (and screws, crockery, whatever looks inviting). Bear in mind that I used to be a (really pedantic language lawyer) expert at your particular hammer. I never use it anymore (since 1997). The drawbacks outweigh the benefits and there are much better tools. "Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes. Contestants in a suicidal race." - Synchronicity II - The Police
Post #103,622 by jb4 5/27/03 12:07:47 PM Reply	Nor am I The only thing I keep taking in each one of your messages is the current objection, and showing where said objection is inconsistent. I can understand how that can be annoying. Go. Get thee hence. Write fine programs using whatever tool(s) you have available. I'll do the same. jb4 "We continue to live in a world where all our know-how is locked into binary files in an unknown format. If our documents are our corporate memory, Microsoft still has us all condemned to Alzheimer's." Simon Phipps, SUN Microsystems
Post #103,625 by Another Scott 5/27/03 12:26:47 PM Reply	You guys should be using Modula-2. :-P (new thread) Created as new thread #103624 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=103624\|You guys should be using Modula-2. :-P]

The awakening begins - (tuberculosis) - (140) - May 11, 2003, 06:39:09 PM EDT

Quotes from Uncle Bob - (admin) - (12) - May 11, 2003, 09:54:41 PM EDT

Maybe it's just me... - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - May 11, 2003, 10:23:42 PM EDT

Static languages make the code brittle ... - (bluke) - May 12, 2003, 04:05:02 AM EDT

History revisionism - beware !!! (IMHO) - (dmarker) - (3) - May 20, 2003, 04:09:02 AM EDT

Re: History revisionism - beware !!! (IMHO) - (JimWeirich) - (2) - May 20, 2003, 03:08:49 PM EDT

Another issue was the potential popularity of a lang - (dmarker) - (1) - May 20, 2003, 06:50:22 PM EDT

Re: Another issue was the potential popularity of a lang - (JimWeirich) - May 21, 2003, 10:13:13 AM EDT

Gee...I thought it was a friendly discussion... - (jb4) - (4) - May 12, 2003, 01:14:44 PM EDT

Re: Gee...I thought it was a friendly discussion... - (JimWeirich) - (3) - May 12, 2003, 06:07:43 PM EDT

Manifest typing....a la Fortran. - (Simon_Jester) - May 12, 2003, 06:24:18 PM EDT

Thanks, Jim. Nicely put. -NT - (jb4) - (1) - May 13, 2003, 01:57:41 PM EDT

Re: Ditto - Thanks, Jim. -NT - (dmarker) - May 22, 2003, 07:59:50 PM EDT

Next experiment: try it without OO -NT - (tablizer) - May 14, 2003, 03:24:33 AM EDT

Java going in the other direction - (bluke) - (109) - May 12, 2003, 04:00:25 AM EDT

Re: Java going in the other direction - (JimWeirich) - (34) - May 12, 2003, 10:52:59 AM EDT

Smalltalk also - (bluke) - May 12, 2003, 11:40:13 AM EDT

Speaking of autoboxing - (ChrisR) - (32) - May 12, 2003, 03:28:15 PM EDT

gasp -NT - (deSitter) - (2) - May 12, 2003, 03:41:22 PM EDT

This is what happens when the foundation sucks - (bluke) - (1) - May 13, 2003, 10:04:45 AM EDT

Oh My! - (deSitter) - May 13, 2003, 11:12:32 AM EDT

According to Joshua Bloch it hasn't been decided yet - (bluke) - (28) - May 13, 2003, 09:17:50 AM EDT

This is just stupid - (tuberculosis) - (27) - May 13, 2003, 11:52:36 AM EDT

I think you missed the point - (JimWeirich) - (5) - May 13, 2003, 12:09:57 PM EDT

OK, maybe so - (tuberculosis) - (4) - May 13, 2003, 05:47:42 PM EDT

Re: OK, maybe so - (JimWeirich) - (3) - May 13, 2003, 06:13:40 PM EDT

Well in this case - (tuberculosis) - (2) - May 13, 2003, 06:21:26 PM EDT

Perhaps ... but ... - (JimWeirich) - (1) - May 13, 2003, 07:16:46 PM EDT

My point was - (tuberculosis) - May 16, 2003, 03:57:14 PM EDT

Not J-heads. - (admin) - (1) - May 13, 2003, 01:14:50 PM EDT

Smalltalk as usual is consistent - (bluke) - May 20, 2003, 04:55:14 AM EDT

Set Theory - (deSitter) - (18) - May 13, 2003, 01:15:27 PM EDT

Re: Set Theory - (admin) - (12) - May 13, 2003, 01:25:19 PM EDT

Here we go - (deSitter) - (11) - May 13, 2003, 04:33:45 PM EDT

Re: Here we go - (admin) - (10) - May 13, 2003, 04:45:38 PM EDT

Amazing - (deSitter) - (9) - May 13, 2003, 04:58:35 PM EDT

Re: Amazing - (admin) - (6) - May 13, 2003, 05:02:52 PM EDT

Re: Amazing - (deSitter) - (5) - May 13, 2003, 05:32:07 PM EDT

Wow. My first exposure to APL - (Arkadiy) - (1) - May 13, 2003, 05:51:19 PM EDT

Same as in Objective C -NT - (admin) - May 13, 2003, 06:04:05 PM EDT

Re: Amazing - (JimWeirich) - (2) - May 13, 2003, 06:50:46 PM EDT

Heh. - (tseliot) - (1) - May 13, 2003, 09:03:03 PM EDT

ROFL -NT - (deSitter) - May 13, 2003, 11:09:01 PM EDT

No - (Arkadiy) - May 13, 2003, 05:40:08 PM EDT

Hey Ross, it's only a model. - (mmoffitt) - May 20, 2003, 12:54:07 AM EDT

Hey, watch this! - (drewk) - May 13, 2003, 01:27:16 PM EDT

Unlike DrooK, I'll bite: Ever heard of SQL, ya nitwit?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (3) - May 13, 2003, 02:57:50 PM EDT

See comment above, applies here as well - (deSitter) - (2) - May 13, 2003, 04:35:44 PM EDT

Better stop talking to yourself then. - (admin) - May 13, 2003, 04:51:56 PM EDT

Your problem is the same you had a year (or was it two?) ago - (CRConrad) - May 15, 2003, 02:05:17 PM EDT

I remeber Pascal in the very same way - (jb4) - (72) - May 12, 2003, 01:25:35 PM EDT

Just had this conversation - (tseliot) - (45) - May 12, 2003, 02:09:09 PM EDT

Freep said the same thing - (tuberculosis) - (43) - May 13, 2003, 11:58:53 AM EDT

Still waiting for ... - (jb4) - (42) - May 14, 2003, 01:31:46 PM EDT

Depends on constraints - (tuberculosis) - (41) - May 16, 2003, 03:50:38 PM EDT

Platforms: - (jb4) - (40) - May 19, 2003, 09:37:12 AM EDT

Don't even get me started - (tuberculosis) - (30) - May 19, 2003, 02:04:00 PM EDT

I'll get you started, alright! - (jb4) - (29) - May 19, 2003, 02:25:40 PM EDT

No I'm not - (tuberculosis) - (28) - May 19, 2003, 02:51:26 PM EDT

The problem is, you're trying to treat a bool as a number - (jb4) - (25) - May 19, 2003, 04:43:28 PM EDT

No, I'm trying to branch on a condition - (tuberculosis) - (24) - May 19, 2003, 05:07:44 PM EDT

21st Century Schitzoid Man - (jb4) - (23) - May 19, 2003, 07:08:23 PM EDT

You are fighting the language - (tuberculosis) - (22) - May 19, 2003, 10:25:26 PM EDT

Tell you what... - (jb4) - May 20, 2003, 01:41:24 PM EDT

Can I put my oar in? - (static) - (20) - May 21, 2003, 07:50:59 AM EDT

Yeah sure - (tuberculosis) - (19) - May 21, 2003, 06:35:41 PM EDT

Such flowerly language toward such a misguided conclusion - (jb4) - (18) - May 22, 2003, 05:35:11 PM EDT

Yeah right - (tuberculosis) - (17) - May 22, 2003, 11:02:21 PM EDT

(++true == false) - (ChrisR) - (1) - May 22, 2003, 11:08:45 PM EDT

Just add a little gasoline, and stir!_____;-) - (jb4) - May 23, 2003, 09:59:45 AM EDT

OK, Now I see wht your problem is - (jb4) - (5) - May 23, 2003, 09:38:10 AM EDT

I thought you were going to give up on this - (tuberculosis) - (4) - May 23, 2003, 11:15:41 AM EDT

How sensible is this?!? - (jb4) - (3) - May 23, 2003, 06:30:59 PM EDT

Not convinced - (tuberculosis) - (2) - May 23, 2003, 11:14:34 PM EDT

Nor am I - (jb4) - (1) - May 27, 2003, 12:07:47 PM EDT

You guys should be using Modula-2. :-P (new thread) - (Another Scott) - May 27, 2003, 12:26:47 PM EDT

And an answer to your question. - (jb4) - (8) - May 23, 2003, 09:53:40 AM EDT

Wrong answer - (tuberculosis) - (7) - May 23, 2003, 11:30:59 AM EDT

Wrong answer back - (jb4) - May 23, 2003, 06:44:36 PM EDT

They've turned it into Pascal - (deSitter) - (5) - May 23, 2003, 11:10:24 PM EDT

Circular definition. - (CRConrad) - (4) - May 24, 2003, 03:25:53 PM EDT

Re: Circular definition. - (deSitter) - (3) - May 25, 2003, 02:44:12 AM EDT

Self-contradiction, and logically inconsistent definition. - (CRConrad) - (2) - May 25, 2003, 08:16:39 AM EDT

Can someone start a new thread please? -NT - (drewk) - (1) - May 27, 2003, 09:10:08 AM EDT

What for, aren't the long ones the best? -NT - (CRConrad) - May 27, 2003, 10:19:41 AM EDT

Comments on supposed idiocy - (JimWeirich) - (1) - May 21, 2003, 10:53:43 AM EDT

Re: Comments on supposed idiocy - (tuberculosis) - May 22, 2003, 11:53:06 PM EDT

Don't even get me started - (tuberculosis) - May 19, 2003, 02:05:09 PM EDT

You didn't mention types of programs -NT - (tuberculosis) - (7) - May 19, 2003, 03:06:49 PM EDT

Sorry, thot I was clear earlier... - (jb4) - (6) - May 19, 2003, 04:48:20 PM EDT

Still doesn't tell me enough - (tuberculosis) - (5) - May 19, 2003, 05:20:34 PM EDT

Re: Still doesn't tell me enough - (jb4) - (4) - May 19, 2003, 06:57:25 PM EDT

The VM's are all written in very portable C - (tuberculosis) - (3) - May 19, 2003, 10:03:08 PM EDT

Re: The VM's are all written in very portable C - (deSitter) - (2) - May 19, 2003, 10:37:48 PM EDT

Funny you should mention it - (tuberculosis) - (1) - May 20, 2003, 12:31:42 AM EDT

Re: Funny you should mention it - (deSitter) - May 21, 2003, 10:16:51 PM EDT

Minor modification - (jb4) - May 14, 2003, 01:29:24 PM EDT

Just because *you* don't see it... - (pwhysall) - May 12, 2003, 02:13:04 PM EDT

In fact.. - (deSitter) - (15) - May 12, 2003, 03:11:26 PM EDT

Heh... - (jb4) - (14) - May 14, 2003, 01:32:47 PM EDT

Re: Heh... - (deSitter) - (13) - May 14, 2003, 02:30:09 PM EDT

BS - (admin) - (3) - May 14, 2003, 02:32:13 PM EDT

BS - (deSitter) - (2) - May 14, 2003, 02:50:25 PM EDT

When I see you spouting it, I'm going to call you on it. - (admin) - (1) - May 14, 2003, 02:58:11 PM EDT

Fair enough! -NT - (deSitter) - May 14, 2003, 03:09:53 PM EDT

Do you have a clue why Linux is easily ported? - (ben_tilly) - (8) - May 14, 2003, 02:47:20 PM EDT

Re: Do you have a clue why Linux is easily ported? - (deSitter) - (7) - May 14, 2003, 03:08:04 PM EDT

No, that is not quite what you claimed - (ben_tilly) - (6) - May 14, 2003, 03:40:41 PM EDT

Well, to me -NT - (deSitter) - May 14, 2003, 03:46:51 PM EDT

Well, to me "moot" means.. - (deSitter) - (4) - May 14, 2003, 03:55:04 PM EDT

Why does your position appear to be shifting? - (ben_tilly) - (3) - May 14, 2003, 04:07:51 PM EDT

Modus operandi - (admin) - (1) - May 14, 2003, 04:30:05 PM EDT

Re: Modus operandi - (deSitter) - May 14, 2003, 05:11:53 PM EDT

Re: Why does your position appear to be shifting? - (deSitter) - May 14, 2003, 04:56:07 PM EDT

Wasn't Pascal written as a teaching tool? - (drewk) - (8) - May 13, 2003, 08:55:15 AM EDT

Yes - (bluke) - May 13, 2003, 09:03:18 AM EDT

Re: Wasn't Pascal written as a teaching tool? - (JimWeirich) - (6) - May 13, 2003, 11:15:38 AM EDT

Re: Wasn't Pascal written as a teaching tool? - (Yendor) - (4) - May 13, 2003, 11:18:18 AM EDT

Forward Declarations - (JimWeirich) - (3) - May 13, 2003, 11:48:48 AM EDT

Hmm, was Turbo Pascal different about that? -NT - (drewk) - May 13, 2003, 11:51:47 AM EDT

Been too long - (Yendor) - May 13, 2003, 12:16:32 PM EDT

Nope, you're right. - (jb4) - May 14, 2003, 01:38:44 PM EDT

Not when I learned it - (drewk) - May 13, 2003, 11:48:37 AM EDT

Same bandaid as C++ templates - (tuberculosis) - May 13, 2003, 11:38:40 AM EDT

Re: The awakening begins - (systems) - (16) - May 14, 2003, 09:55:29 AM EDT

A couple answers - (tuberculosis) - (12) - May 13, 2003, 12:43:33 PM EDT

ICLRPD - (drewk) - May 13, 2003, 12:52:05 PM EDT

Do I C another one...? - (CRConrad) - (10) - May 13, 2003, 12:58:07 PM EDT

Aren't they like seals? - (tuberculosis) - (9) - May 13, 2003, 05:25:02 PM EDT

Yes they are. - (admin) - May 13, 2003, 05:28:27 PM EDT

No - they're "almost, but not entirely, unlike" seals. - (CRConrad) - (7) - May 15, 2003, 01:47:12 PM EDT

NFC. -NT - (admin) - (1) - May 15, 2003, 02:10:49 PM EDT

Does the phrase "Splitting Hairs" come to mind. :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - May 15, 2003, 02:27:18 PM EDT

birds are feathered and hairy - (boxley) - (4) - May 15, 2003, 02:16:35 PM EDT

It's all feathers. - (admin) - (3) - May 15, 2003, 02:19:11 PM EDT

Re: It's all feathers. - (deSitter) - (2) - May 15, 2003, 02:27:50 PM EDT

Re, "PS": Yeah, sure - so, whatchathink HAIRS are?!? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - May 15, 2003, 02:45:10 PM EDT

Never really thought about it.. - (deSitter) - May 15, 2003, 03:26:41 PM EDT

Sometimes there aren't right answers - (ben_tilly) - (1) - May 14, 2003, 03:57:37 AM EDT

Down with Determinants! :) -NT - (deSitter) - May 14, 2003, 09:34:46 AM EDT

Please indicate what you changed in an Edit. Thanks. :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - May 14, 2003, 10:04:39 AM EDT

Uno? My brain hurts. And I'm out of milk, so the coffee's not a happening thing. Pout.
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