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New Re: Got some quotes of others who share your joy.
I feel your pain, but you are overboard.

At other times in AmHist, the Constitution was shredded - labor and draft riots, Lincoln and habaeus corpus, the Maine and Chapultepec, etc.

The current crowd is distasteful but hardly Hitler and his bunch. We aren't looking for Lebensraum or Rassenvernichtung.

The real problem we now face is the same on Israel faces - the unworkable necessity for constant intervention. What we are doing is wrong because it doesn't work.
-drl

Though my feet aren't on the ground,
I've been standing on the sound
Of some open hearted people, going down.
New Therein lies the danger.
I feel your pain, but you are overboard.

Exactly how does one tell when one is overboard? Just wait...(like Greg suggests). Perhaps, but I am deeply, deeply troubled by our largely successful export of our corporato-culture. Wait? How long? Obviously not as long as the German people waited, no? How does one measure when it is appropriate to protest without being disregarded as "one who always says 'Nay'"? And if we all do "just wait", can we face ourselves?

IMO, this is a disgraceful downhill slide we're on. My fear is that when it becomes obvious that we're on the wrong track, it'll be too late to do anything about it.
bcnu,
Mikem

The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.

- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
New On exporting corporate culture... (new thread)
Created as new thread #95117 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=95117|On exporting corporate culture...]
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Possibly. But those ended.
We'll see if we get the rights back or if they stay lost.
     Tony Blair, World Leader - (deSitter) - (18)
         Caveat - (deSitter)
         Got some quotes of others who share your joy. - (mmoffitt) - (16)
             Re: Got some quotes of others who share your joy. - (deSitter) - (3)
                 Therein lies the danger. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                     On exporting corporate culture... (new thread) - (admin)
                 Possibly. But those ended. - (Brandioch)
             Mike... you realize... - (folkert) - (11)
                 I don't have a solution. - (mmoffitt) - (10)
                     read the turner diaries to see what our nation will become - (boxley)
                     I really don't have anything to say... - (folkert) - (8)
                         I'll drink to (most of) that!___;-) -NT - (Ashton)
                         perhaps we are white cells as opposed to a bacteria -NT - (boxley)
                         Problem is, it feels as if it is... - (CRConrad) - (5)
                             Come off it. - (admin) - (1)
                                 ...but we package it so Expertly - many import it. -NT - (Ashton)
                             AND.... - (folkert)
                             Oh no, we're the California of the world -NT - (drewk) - (1)
                                 " Ha Ha - just kidding. We're all Lumberjacks and We're OK!" -NT - (Ashton)

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