Post #95,040
4/8/03 12:23:16 PM
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Got some quotes of others who share your joy.
Er, shared. ;-)
Just substitute "Iraqis" for "Austrians".
"Everywhere and without exception, there was invisible, spontaneous contact from heart to heart, that mysterious flow of natural connectedness ... It was more than mere liking\ufffdit was love at first sight. Who among our soldiers ... will ever forget the joy looking his way from the eyes of all the Austrians who lined the streets of the cities and villages! Who will not still hear the enthusiastic shouts that everywhere received him to the end of his days?"
[link|http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/wehr01.htm|Same stuff, different decade.]
bcnu,
Mikem
The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.
- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
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Post #95,050
4/8/03 1:45:16 PM
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Re: Got some quotes of others who share your joy.
I feel your pain, but you are overboard.
At other times in AmHist, the Constitution was shredded - labor and draft riots, Lincoln and habaeus corpus, the Maine and Chapultepec, etc.
The current crowd is distasteful but hardly Hitler and his bunch. We aren't looking for Lebensraum or Rassenvernichtung.
The real problem we now face is the same on Israel faces - the unworkable necessity for constant intervention. What we are doing is wrong because it doesn't work.
-drl
Though my feet aren't on the ground,
I've been standing on the sound
Of some open hearted people, going down.
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Post #95,058
4/8/03 2:52:12 PM
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Therein lies the danger.
I feel your pain, but you are overboard.
Exactly how does one tell when one is overboard? Just wait...(like Greg suggests). Perhaps, but I am deeply, deeply troubled by our largely successful export of our corporato-culture. Wait? How long? Obviously not as long as the German people waited, no? How does one measure when it is appropriate to protest without being disregarded as "one who always says 'Nay'"? And if we all do "just wait", can we face ourselves?
IMO, this is a disgraceful downhill slide we're on. My fear is that when it becomes obvious that we're on the wrong track, it'll be too late to do anything about it.
bcnu,
Mikem
The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.
- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
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Post #95,118
4/8/03 6:45:00 PM
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On exporting corporate culture... (new thread)
Created as new thread #95117 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=95117|On exporting corporate culture...]
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #95,543
4/9/03 8:25:41 PM
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Possibly. But those ended.
We'll see if we get the rights back or if they stay lost.
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Post #95,053
4/8/03 2:18:43 PM
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Mike... you realize...
I could spit and actually hit the machine containing the archive you quoted...
Many of the Calvin people are very concerned and are going to be watching... very skeptically at the after-effects of this event in our history. Calvinists... are just Calvinists... and if you know one... then you should understand the feelings they have.
Enough on the Religious side though.
I agree we are the Bully, but aside from the fact that we are promising to hand Iraq back to the Iraqi people when they can stand the pressure... No.. not a puppet government... Afghanistan has other issues we haven't addressed...
All in all, the nay sayers will always say nay. The only thing that can prove this out is TIME. If the US doesn't progess in releasing Iraq to the Iraqi people... we will have to apply pressure...
Or are you saying the UN should be the ones in charge? Hah... the UN can't even make sure Humanitarian aid is delivered to the PEOPLE it is supposed to be for...
Hordes of HA and "Oil for Food" stores are being found and being distributed... Good for the UN... nope.
b4k4^2
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Microsoft develops apps for Linux by 2004] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at checkpoints. |
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Post #95,059
4/8/03 2:56:48 PM
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I don't have a solution.
And that's what bothers me the most. I feel like I'm at the beach telling the waves to stop.
Somewhere in the archives of IWETHEY are posts from me that I am ashamed of. When 9/11 hit, I was as gung ho for turning the entire ME into sand as anyone. That was emotional. I calmed down and reflected on our history, our culture and our absolute drive for world domination (a McDonald's and Pizza Hut on every corner).
It's ugly, and it's wrong and in my heart I know that the best the average Iraqi can hope for is slave labor for a US Corporation. But that won't matter to most of us, because we won't see it. And that disgusts me.
bcnu,
Mikem
The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.
- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
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Post #95,062
4/8/03 3:05:29 PM
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read the turner diaries to see what our nation will become
and to some people they see we are already there. I have faith in America that between the wide swings as we lurch forward into history we will keep vestiges of what made us. We are the most vicious nation bar none when attacked but also the most generous.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
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Post #95,068
4/8/03 3:11:50 PM
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I really don't have anything to say...
It's the unfortunate dumbing-down and moral-decay of the World... not just the US.
I believe, that just like the Aztecs, we are going to have some very tragic results come by our way sometime...
The world as a living organism... will react agressively... to its infection... *HUMANS*...
GAIA (as I do see the world) exists and will survive long after we are gone...
Who knows, maybe we already are batteries... being grown, harvested, used and recycled. Sometimes it feels that way to me.
But, if you let it all bother you, you'll never get anything done... never progress to an understanding that'll help you cope/deal with these issues... I know I still have problems with this event.
The biggest problem as I see it is me-ism or only-me-ism. Nobody stops to help anymore, nobody says "Top O' the morning" to you anymore... there are significant things happening right now, that even the US GOV doesn't understand or know about... nor do any other gov't.
I guess, we have to fight the fights we can win... and let others fight the one we can't.
b4k4^2
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Microsoft develops apps for Linux by 2004] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at checkpoints. |
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Post #95,459
4/9/03 5:12:18 PM
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I'll drink to (most of) that!___;-)
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Post #95,462
4/9/03 5:32:26 PM
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perhaps we are white cells as opposed to a bacteria
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
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Post #95,483
4/9/03 6:19:35 PM
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Problem is, it feels as if it is...
Da Gregster: It's the unfortunate dumbing-down and moral-decay of the World... not just the US. ...it feels as if it is the USA that *is* "dumbing down" the rest of the World. :-(
[link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
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Post #95,496
4/9/03 6:31:20 PM
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Come off it.
There's stupidity (and apparently, arrogance) enough to go around. The US has no lock on it.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #95,554
4/9/03 8:51:06 PM
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...but we package it so Expertly - many import it.
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Post #95,499
4/9/03 6:35:05 PM
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AND....
...it feels as if it is the USA that *is* "dumbing down" the rest of the World. :-( iffn you'd be saying that... I wouldn't be disagreeing with you, unfortunately. b4k4^2
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - IT Grand-Master for President | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] | | [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|2004, the year Microsoft develops for Linux ] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
The DHS [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Cyberer-Stratergery]. The ultimate in Cyber. |
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Post #95,675
4/10/03 9:29:47 AM
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Oh no, we're the California of the world
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Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
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Post #95,947
4/11/03 12:05:07 AM
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" Ha Ha - just kidding. We're all Lumberjacks and We're OK!"
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