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New Re: Suggestions if I may
Monopolizing a forum with little forward progress becomes...mildly irritating after a while. ... The niche is crowded.


Sorry, I wasn't aware I was monopolizing a forum. It seemed like anyone can make any topic or as many topics in here they like, and I was not aware of rules regarding not prolonging one.

Trying to "fix" minor variations in Win98 memory utilization with few tools and limited experience is like...trying to influence the onset of Autumn by rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The situation is uncontrollable, and the efforts are doomed even in their own context.


Yep, I've figured that out, thanks to all of the advice in here. We've decided it's futile and are not trying to fix it anymore. I simply wanted to know in this thread, if anyone knew whether the current programs on my computer would be compatible with WIN XP Pro. I am not prolonging the original issue any further. We are going to be building a new one.

The people here who know legacy MS Windows well (I'm not one of them,though I've used and even administered various flavors over the past decade) are as good as any I've met on the Net, and the advice here is far better than what you'll find on most legacy MS Windows dedicated sites. Grygus, Whysall, Norm, and Folkert have a lot of specific experience and understanding of the beast. The fact that all of them more-or-less despise Microsoft also speaks volumes. If they can't resolve your issues, you're not likely to have them solved by anyone


I also trust them, one reason I came into this board was because I had been reading it and felt there was a wealth of knowledge here that would help me determine a) whether Andrei was fixable or b) whether we needed another option. And I still feel that the people here are very experienced and again, I appreciate all their input. Thanks :)

The question then becomes: Do I just deal with it and continue to use Win98? Do I use something else?


We have already decided, as I stated before, that we are going to be building me a new system and installing Windows XP Pro on it. I need to stay in the WIN family of OS systems because I am soon going to be seeking reemployment, and it is a major requirement in many many jobs.

I'm sorry if I upset you in any way.

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New Social norms

There are very few hard and fast rules here. Mostly it's a matter of social norms. Which you can't be expected to know unless someone tells you. So I'm telling you. Several people have indicated agreement with my comments.

\r\n\r\n

There are some who are under the mistaken belief that a spot on the top ten most prolific posters list is some sort of honor. It's not, and more likely indicates an inability to control output. Respect comes from beneficial participation.

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You should also be aware that there are those of us with LRPD addictions (that's the "new post" indicator). Finding yourself the principle contributor with multiple new posts in a forum, spawning multiple threads (you are fond of forking new threads, I'd suggest not doing so), makes it harder for those not interested in the discussion to simply ignore it.

\r\n\r\n

Please consider this a friendly nudge in the right direction.

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Re: Social norms
There are very few hard and fast rules here. Mostly it's a matter of social norms. Which you can't be expected to know unless someone tells you. So I'm telling you. Several people have indicated agreement with my comments.


Well, all Scott would have had to do was tell me, and I would stop. I'm learning here.

There are some who are under the mistaken belief that a spot on the top ten most prolific posters list is some sort of honor. It's not, and more likely indicates an inability to control output. Respect comes from beneficial participation.


I am not trying to make any posting count or anything else. I don't care less about having any certain number of posts. I only post in about 4 forums, and I was mostly posting about Andrei. I have lots of control and no ego. :)

You should also be aware that there are those of us with LRPD addictions (that's the "new post" indicator). Finding yourself the principle contributor with multiple new posts in a forum, spawning multiple threads (you are fond of forking new threads, I'd suggest not doing so), makes it harder for those not interested in the discussion to simply ignore it.


I don't understand this at all, sorry. I have no clue what an LRPD thingy is, and I gave up trying to figure it out weeks ago. I fork new threads because I have trouble following my original threads when they get too long. I also have seen it done a lot and didn't think there was any problem with doing it. I think Scott needs to address this better for me, ok Scott??

Please consider this a friendly nudge in the right direction.


No problem, just don't understand it all. :) These are some of the reasons I have never stayed at any complicated site very long, I can't figure it all out. I am having the best success with this one as any of the ones I've ever tried.

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New Re: Social norms
Frankly, I haven't seen a problem here; Karsten is making a request based on his own preferences, as we have done with him at times. My opinion is that your posting volume isn't excessive here.

Using this forum to ask questions and work through a problem is pretty much recommended use.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Re: Social norms
Frankly, I haven't seen a problem here; Karsten is making a request based on his own preferences, as we have done with him at times. My opinion is that your posting volume isn't excessive here.


Using this forum to ask questions and work through a problem is pretty much recommended use.


Thanks Scott, and I'm counting on you to tell me if I do something wrong. :)

Nightowl >8#


"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New I am with you Scott...
If Karsten would just assume not to read them...

Well, he has the option to NOT click there.

I don;t see any issue here... yes alot of posts, but not any worse than Marlowe or Brandi or Box in the political-conflict forums.

As the obligatory LRPD says:

it's alot less messy when Karsten is absent.

Or something very close...
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New LRPD: Little red plasma dot

It's the red square with a starburst in it which appears next to new posts, unread forums, etc. If you use the "mark forum read" link, you'll note that the LRPD disappears next to the forum, and posts are similarly unflagged. When a new post appears, so does the LRPD. This is Scott's evil plan at world domination, as swatting LRPDs rapidly becomes a game of whack-a-mole.

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The term also applies to the quotes which appear at the bottom of pages, also called "lepardisms".

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Re: LRPD: Little red plasma dot
Okay, Thanks, I think I get it. Not sure why they relate to the little quotes at the bottom, but that's ok.

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New The quotes sorta needed a name.
The term "LRPD" had been around for a while and someone suggested "LRPDism" for the quotes. It stuck. :-)

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Sort of like a "Fortune Cookie" program
except a really big list of fortunes, bigger than you can imagine.

Sometimes the LRPD gets a quote that fits with the topic that is being discussed. :)


"Bill gates cannot guarantee Windows, so how are you going to guarantee my safety?"
-John Crichton to the Emperor of the Scarrans on [link|http://www.farscape.com|FarScape]
New Yes.
Except that the fortune program that comes with RH8 has several thousand fortunes. And back when I was on FidoNet, I knew of people who had tens of thousands of taglines (aka fortunes). So our LRPDism list is not really all that big. :-)

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New ObLRPD

Ego cleanup on isle three

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New :-) ObLRPD: I don't get no respect!
PS. My collection is enshrined at [link|http://yceran.org/stuff/4tag/|http://yceran.org/stuff/4tag/]

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Well aisle be.
I didn't now till just now that I had joined the ranks of lerpadism contributors. I feel all warm and fuzzy.
The world is only a simple place to the simple.
New ObLRPD: Thanks for noticing.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Social Norms . .
. . now Norm did violate them (but he's better now), and Merlin too - but that takes quite a bit of doing around here.

When a thread or set of threads seems tedious and tiresome, I have found a cure for that. Don't read those threads. This is a good thing, because I tend to find about 70% of the content here meets that qualification, and my mind pretty much blanks out at the 7th shift to the right.

OK, I'm really not so compulsive, so maybe others have more trouble with thread withdrawal. Perhaps some take these forums real seriously and want them pure and lean for posterity, but that's futile - it'll all be composting in the great bit bucket soon enough - so the 0s and 1s can be freed up for use on other planets.

I found your adventures with Andre threads to be too slow moving and tedious for my taste (my attitude on misbehaving machines is, after all, "strip for parts now and ask questions later"), So I just picked at them now and then. I do not, however, begrudge you your threads nor consider them a violation of Social Norms, nor do I find it demeaning that others might wish to participate in them. Different people have different tastes, interests, delusions budgets and axes to grind.

They don't mess with my delusions and axes and I won't mess with theirs.

[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Re: Social Norms . .
I found your adventures with Andre threads to be too slow moving and tedious for my taste (my attitude on misbehaving machines is, after all, "strip for parts now and ask questions later"), So I just picked at them now and then. I do not, however, begrudge you your threads nor consider them a violation of Social Norms, nor do I find it demeaning that others might wish to participate in them. Different people have different tastes, interests, delusions budgets and axes to grind.


Hehehe, that's Andrei. :) And I understand they were tedious and slow moving, so was all the testing I was doing. But I still gained a great deal of information from posting them and I am glad for that, because it helped us to make a better decision. I'm just glad the testing is over.... Whew.

Thanks, Andrew.

Nightowl >8#


"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New And he singeth to the Chior... AhhhhhMEN!
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New On the magic man,
with straight tech discussion he was spot on with stuff to ad. Once it got away from "tried that it didnt work" it quickly degeneres It is a shame he did not continue(albeit upstream ) to continue the discussion.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
New Stripping parts is the best way to fix a problem
but it won't teach us what went wrong and why the problem happened. But right now, that doesn't seem to be an issue anymore as to what exactly happened as she is ordering a new system with XP. New parts, a new OS, and hopefully the problem will go away. If not, she'll be back here making more posts about it.

I heard stories where people stripped the parts, and then reset the CMOS settings on the motherboard to factory defaults and never had a problem with that hardware again and were able to use it elsewhere. It also could be a bad combination of motherboard and power supply, as you said previously.

But you are correct, stripping out the parts and replacing them with new ones solves the problems most times. So does reformatting the hard drive and reinstalling the OS in some cases. That is the quickest way of solving a problem rather that investigate everything and spend hours or days trying to figure out what went wrong. I wrote off the hardware I was using for the Linux install as bad, and as soon as I can replace it, I will try to install Linux again.


"Bill gates cannot guarantee Windows, so how are you going to guarantee my safety?"
-John Crichton to the Emperor of the Scarrans on [link|http://www.farscape.com|FarScape]
New There is a point of...
Diminishing returns. Andrew knows that... and prefers to just FIXIT and get on with life rather than waste time figgering it out to be a common/non-sensical Windows OS problem.

The Learning part is sometimes more painful then the over-fixing part.
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New :) So true
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
     Andrei, Plan B- Converting from Win 98 to Win XP Business - (Nightowl) - (38)
         That's XP Pro - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
             Re: That's XP Pro - (Nightowl) - (1)
                 Answers - (Andrew Grygus)
         Sorry, cain't he'p myse'f - (jb4) - (3)
             Editor Holy Wars - (jake123) - (2)
                 As the saying goes... - (folkert) - (1)
                     What can I say? - (jake123)
         Best thing to do - (orion) - (1)
             Re: Best thing to do - (Nightowl)
         Suggestions if I may - (kmself) - (26)
             Reconmendations - (orion)
             You forgot one - (jake123) - (2)
                 OS/2 eCS - (orion) - (1)
                     Pricing - (jake123)
             Re: Suggestions if I may - (Nightowl) - (21)
                 Social norms - (kmself) - (20)
                     Re: Social norms - (Nightowl) - (18)
                         Re: Social norms - (admin) - (2)
                             Re: Social norms - (Nightowl)
                             I am with you Scott... - (folkert)
                         LRPD: Little red plasma dot - (kmself) - (8)
                             Re: LRPD: Little red plasma dot - (Nightowl) - (7)
                                 The quotes sorta needed a name. - (static) - (6)
                                     Sort of like a "Fortune Cookie" program - (orion) - (5)
                                         Yes. - (static) - (4)
                                             ObLRPD - (kmself) - (2)
                                                 :-) ObLRPD: I don't get no respect! - (static)
                                                 Well aisle be. - (Silverlock)
                                             ObLRPD: Thanks for noticing. -NT - (admin)
                         Social Norms . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                             Re: Social Norms . . - (Nightowl)
                             And he singeth to the Chior... AhhhhhMEN! -NT - (folkert)
                             On the magic man, - (boxley)
                             Stripping parts is the best way to fix a problem - (orion) - (1)
                                 There is a point of... - (folkert)
                     :) So true -NT - (boxley)
         Before you upgrade - (orion) - (1)
             NIKOLAI IS HERE! ( was Re: Before you upgrade) (new thread) - (Nightowl)

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