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New Andrei, Plan B- Converting from Win 98 to Win XP Business
Okay, John has gone to plan B, rebuilding.

He thinks there is no point on wasting much more time trying to repair Andrei.

So... I have these questions, if anyone knows the answers: XP refers to Business edition ok?

Will VI run on XP

Will Eudora and Opera run on XP?

Does Microsoft Office 97 run on XP?

Will my old Xerox Docuprint XJ6C Inkjet printer be compatible with XP? What about an Epson LQ-570+ Dot Matrix one?

Does anyone know if Monkey Island III will run on XP?

Will Print Shop run on XP? I think I have version 13.

I'll think as to whether there are any more I'm worried about. I'm wondering about Anytime, but I'm gonna peek at the box. Most of my other boxes however, I think were bought before XP was out.

Any and all information is helpful :) I'm gonna also check on the net some.

Oh, and one other question. Does anyone know if you can convert Quicken files from 3.11 to be readable on say Win 98 or something else?

Thanks!

Nightowl >8#

"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee



"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New That's XP Pro
Microsoft says XP stands for "Xperienced", but we in the industry know it stands for "eXtra Pain", and sometimes for "eXtreme Pain". XP Home Edition and XP Professional are pretty much identical except XP Home has some networking features crippled and some extra consumer stuff.

We've been successful using XP Home on networks with Samba servers, but I understand it's incompatible with Windows domain controllers and definitely with Active Directory (I don't know if it can be made to work with NetWare).
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Re: That's XP Pro
Microsoft says XP stands for "Xperienced", but we in the industry know it stands for "eXtra Pain", and sometimes for "eXtreme Pain". XP Home Edition and XP Professional are pretty much identical except XP Home has some networking features crippled and some extra consumer stuff.


Hmmm well we don't network, or at least never have. John said that XP Pro, you say? Sorry I had it wrong. He said XP Pro is more stable and better than the home version and he doesn't want the home version.

I'm just thinking to myself... YIKES! Owls have to learn another new version?

We've been successful using XP Home on networks with Samba servers, but I understand it's incompatible with Windows domain controllers and definitely with Active Directory (I don't know if it can be made to work with NetWare).


What is a Windows Domain controller and Active Directory? Sorry, owls are also clueless sometimes. And I don't know what Netware is either.

We're just trying to figure out what if anything from Andrei will not work on XP Pro.

Thanks!

Nightowl >8#

[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]


"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New Answers
A small, single server network generally has no domain controller, because users need to log in only to their workstation, and the server will be set up the same login name and password for them, so access to the server will be transparent.

On larger networks with multiple servers (and most Windows networks have multiple servers because Microsoft server applications don't necessarily get along with each other real well) it becomes a hassle setting up user accounts on each and every server, so one server is assigned to be the Primary Domain Controller, and one or more others will be backup domain controllers in case the primary one fails. Login accounts are entered only on the Primary Domain Controller, which propegates them to the backups.

The users log into the network through the Domain Controller and have access to all the servers according to their rights. It can be set up so they can't even access the workstation desktop if they don't have a domain account.

Active Directory is the successor to Domain Controllers, which were hard to synchronize among sites in a far flung enterprise. Windows 2000 Server can't be a Domain Controller, it must use Active Directory, which is why so many companies won't abandon their NT 4.0 servers. Active Directory is generally equivalent to a really bad case of hemorrhoids. It is geared to very large multi-site networks, but forced on even the smallest W2K network to maintain incompatibility and fight Novell Directory Services (which actually work). The AD installation Wizzard doesn't work right, either.

Windows XP Home is crippled so it can't log on to a network with a domain controller or an Active Directory network. This is so business has to spend another $50 per workstation for the exact same thing but without the cripple.

Novell NetWare used to have a near monopoly on networking in businesses too small to use SNA or DECNet. As a monopoly will, Novell became fat, happy and forgot how to compete. Microsoft pushed them out with a far inferior network (Microsoft Networking is just IBM's old PCNet with a hundered layers of patches, bandaids and bailing wire over it), superior marketing and sabotage. NetWare is still used fairly widely, especially in networks where security is a real concern.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Sorry, cain't he'p myse'f
Will VI run on XP

vi doesn't "run" on anything. It bumbles, stumbles, trips over its own one foot, steps on its tongue, and hoses itself on whatever platform someone is arrogant and misguided enough to port that dead horse to.

(There...I feel much better now... ;-) )
jb4
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
Rich Cook
New Editor Holy Wars
I'm a big fan of vim, though I can understand why people may not be so enamoured of vi. It's a great editor, and doesn't try to be anything else, which makes it great for plugging into other programs like ProNews (as its posting editor), PMMail (ditto), and the like.
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New As the saying goes...
UNIX... a process that runs under EMACS.
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These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New What can I say?
WPS makes emacs look like a model t. Vim is a lot better for plugging into that kind of architecture than an all-in-one like emacs is.
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New Best thing to do
is to get an XP disk and then run it under 98, and choose the "Compatabily Check" to see if any of your hardware or software fails under XP. This will not install XP, but will check your programs and hardware.


"Bill gates cannot guarantee Windows, so how are you going to guarantee my safety?"
-John Crichton to the Emperor of the Scarrans on [link|http://www.farscape.com|FarScape]
New Re: Best thing to do
is to get an XP disk and then run it under 98, and choose the "Compatabily Check" to see if any of your hardware or software fails under XP. This will not install XP, but will check your programs and hardware.


Thank Norm, we'll consider doing it with the software, but John plans to use mostly new hardware.

Nightowl >8#

"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New Suggestions if I may

Monopolizing a forum with little forward progress becomes...mildly\r\nirritating after a while. And we've already got Boxley, DeSitter, and\r\nMarlowe for that. The niche is crowded.

\r\n\r\n

Trying to "fix" minor variations in Win98 memory utilization with few\r\ntools and limited experience is like...trying to influence the onset of\r\nAutumn by rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The situation is\r\nuncontrollable, and the efforts are doomed even in their own context.\r\nIf you're going to insist on running a piece of shit operating system,\r\ndeal with the shit.

\r\n\r\n

The people here who know legacy MS Windows well (I'm not one of them,\r\nthough I've used and even administered various flavors over the past\r\ndecade) are as good as any I've met on the Net, and the advice here is\r\nfar better than what you'll find on most legacy MS Windows dedicated\r\nsites. Grygus, Whysall, Norm, and Folkert have a lot of specific\r\nexperience and understanding of the beast. The fact that all of them\r\nmore-or-less despise Microsoft also speaks volumes. If they can't\r\nresolve your issues, you're not likely to have them solved by anyone\r\nshort of dedicated on-sight help. I've heard all of them claim that\r\nWin98 has a strong tendency to go to shit over time even if you leave it\r\nalone.

\r\n\r\n

The question then becomes:

\r\n\r\n
    \r\n
  • Do I just deal with it and continue to use Win98?
  • \r\n
  • Do I use something else?
  • \r\n
\r\n\r\n

If you chose another legacy MS Windows flavor, you're going to be\r\nstuck with the same or similar issues moving forward. WinME is worse\r\nthan 95/98 on any front. Win2K and WinXP offer a different underpinning\r\nkernel, but layer the same load of smoke and mirrors on top which\r\nultimately alienate you from what's going on: you can't see, and can't\r\ncontrol, what your computer is doing. Over time, you're going to be in\r\nthe same boat you're in now, only the old tricks won't work.

\r\n\r\n

This largely leaves you with the option of going Macintosh or\r\nGNU/Linux.

\r\n\r\n

I'm leaning slightly Mac: it's an easy-to-use system, now based on\r\nUnix, from which you may be able to make the transition to free software\r\nover time. Despite Apple's traditional "seal up the works" philosophy,\r\nMac OS X is far more open then prior Apple OSs, and offers much the same\r\nopportunity for low-level access, monitoring, and control as GNU/Linux.\r\nThe downsides are that Jobs remains a control freak, Apple remains a\r\nsmall player, hardware tends to be more expensive, and availability of\r\nproprietary software may be marginal.

\r\n\r\n

If you were to go GNU/Linux, I'd strongly recommend you get a\r\npreinstalled system. That means either buying something preloaded, or\r\nhaving someone load up GNU/Linux for you. In the long run this may be\r\nyour best option, though short-term, there is a curve in getting up to\r\nspeed, particularly if you don't have someone who's keeping the box\r\nmaintained for you (this is where GNU/Linux IMO wins over legacy MS\r\nWindows in the workplace: you've already got admins, and\r\nGNU/Linux is more efficiently maintained -- in the home front, the\r\nsituation's somewhat different, though I know few legacy MS Windows\r\nusers who don't have a friendly guru to bail them out of trouble).

\r\n\r\n

In terms of applications, think of functionality rather than specific\r\nprograms. For major applications: web browsing, email, office apps,\r\netc., free software offers replacements as good or better than the\r\nproprietary competition. In other areas, there are replacements, though\r\ncompatibility with proprietary offerings varies. This is mitigated by\r\nthe fact that much legacy MS Windows software will run on GNU/Linux via\r\ncompatibility tools (Win4Lin, WINE). This doesn't provide you a "clean\r\nbreak", but it does give you a clear migration path away from\r\nthe hegemony of proprietary software. It's not a decision to be taken\r\nlightly.

\r\n\r\n

Suggestions:

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    \r\n\r\n
  • Accept Win98's limitations. They're not going to go away. You've\r\nhad enough advice to deal with them to the extent they can be. If\r\nthat's not sufficient, more conversation is just noise.
  • \r\n\r\n
  • Pick your subsequent poison. Again, if it's Win98, deal with it.\r\nIf it's another legacy MS Windows OS, realize you're going to get reamed\r\nby it one way or the other. If it's an alternative, realize it's not\r\nwhat you're using now, for better and worse. Demanding that it\r\nbe what you're using now will be frowned on. Asking how to do\r\nspecific tasks or improve performance is welcomed.
  • \r\n\r\n
  • Realize that computers aren't easy. They're useful and powerful.\r\nThey make demands or take their tithing, and the coins of the realm are\r\ngenerally convenience (at the price of stability and security),\r\nflexibility (at the cost of initial accessibility), and ease-of-use (at\r\nthe cost of configurability). Microsoft maximises initial convenience.\r\nApple maximishes overall ease-of-use. GNU/Linux maximises flexibility.\r\nNone is impossible to use. None solves everyone's problems.
  • \r\n\r\n
  • In addition to the above, a prime motivator of Microsoft is to lock\r\nyou into a system of upgrades which further strengthens their monopoly,\r\nfeeds their revenue streams, and ties you into digital restrictions\r\nmanagement schemes which prevent you from freely using and accessing\r\nworks for which you're already paid.
  • \r\n\r\n
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--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Reconmendations
#1 Linux is a choice, our friend Zubin can set her up with a Red Hat or another flavor of Linux install. It should avoid the missing memory issues; however, it won't run her current Windows software without WINE, VMWare, WIn4Lin, etc. With the addiational software, it should be able to run most of what she has now. On the down side, it will be a learning curve for her to adapt to a new OS, and a Windows in a box type of emulation to run her current software. On the up side, it has VI built into the OS bundle, and won't get the memory leaks.

#2 Newer version of Windows, it will require new hardware and a new OS license. It should get rid of some of the memory leaks, but Windows XP is still flawed somewhat.

#3 She can keep what she has for now and reboot several times a day or more when memory resources get low enough to trigger her system monitor or TweakRAM. A Band-Aid fix, but for free. Can't beat the price of that. I still suffer from 98, and one of these days I'm going to install XP Pro on it the right way. Right now I have 98SE and XP Pro on the same drive, but different directories. I learned from that, and when I get the time, I'll reformat my drive and put 98 on C: and XP on D: and be done with it.

#4 She can get a low cost used Macintosh, maybe a used G3 500Mhz iMac for under $499, and use MacOS 9.X and then later upgrade the hardware to run OSX. Eudora exists for MacOS just as it exists for Windows, so does Opera and others. While MacOS 9.X doesn't seem to suffer the same exact problems as Windows, it would be a better environment. She does have a Mac background of using them in a previous job. But the problem is going to be finding one for cheap, maybe an auction site or a Mac Dealer? With the almost $500 cost, she could get a very good Pentium 4 or AMD based system with XP Pro on it built for her clocked at over 1 Ghz (1000Mhz).


"Bill gates cannot guarantee Windows, so how are you going to guarantee my safety?"
-John Crichton to the Emperor of the Scarrans on [link|http://www.farscape.com|FarScape]
New You forgot one
OS/2, or eComStation (same thing, different vendor). For most of what nightowl does, it can provide software; mozilla for web surfing, pmmail for mail, lotus smartsuite for word processor/spreadsheet etc. There are very good tools available for monitoring the system if you find you're having a problem, and it runs well on older hardware. It has good system basics (kernel, drivers), but is not so good on supporting everything-under-the-sun like Windows does; for example, you have to shop carefully for a printer, make sure you buy a real modem and not a winmodem, usb device support is spotty (we're at the point now that most cameras will work, but most scanners won't yet), etc.
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New OS/2 eCS
Well she has an external USR modem, that shouldn't be a problem. I think ATI still makes OS/2 drivers so her Radion card should work.

[link|http://www.ecomstation.com/where_purchase.phtml|http://www.ecomstati...re_purchase.phtml]

It lists the US Seller as:
[link|http://www.ecomstation.biz/|http://www.ecomstation.biz/]

Which doesn't list the full eCS package. Just the $59 upgrade to 1.1 and the $140 application pack. Or is the $59 price the Core OS, and the upgrade from 1.0 just a suggestion? I am guessing it may be the later.

So for $199 in software, you can upgrade to a new OS (Based on OS/2) and have a set of applications to run. It will run the old Quicken for Windows 3.1 software, and then you could just use the OS/2 Native programs like PMMail, Mozilla, etc for the rest. There is that ODIN project that is supposed to run 32 bit Windows programs, but I never tried it out to be honest. [link|http://odin.netlabs.org/|http://odin.netlabs.org/] Opera for OS/2 was apparently writting using it. So you could keep your browser the same: [link|http://www.opera.com/download/index.dml?step=2&opsys=OS%2F2&platform=OS%2F2|http://www.opera.com...2&platform=OS%2F2]





"Bill gates cannot guarantee Windows, so how are you going to guarantee my safety?"
-John Crichton to the Emperor of the Scarrans on [link|http://www.farscape.com|FarScape]
New Pricing
List prices are 199$USD for the full version; the 59 bucks is upgrade from 1.0. App Pack is 140$USD. Total price for both is 339$USD.

That's less than MS Office lists for.
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New Re: Suggestions if I may
Monopolizing a forum with little forward progress becomes...mildly irritating after a while. ... The niche is crowded.


Sorry, I wasn't aware I was monopolizing a forum. It seemed like anyone can make any topic or as many topics in here they like, and I was not aware of rules regarding not prolonging one.

Trying to "fix" minor variations in Win98 memory utilization with few tools and limited experience is like...trying to influence the onset of Autumn by rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The situation is uncontrollable, and the efforts are doomed even in their own context.


Yep, I've figured that out, thanks to all of the advice in here. We've decided it's futile and are not trying to fix it anymore. I simply wanted to know in this thread, if anyone knew whether the current programs on my computer would be compatible with WIN XP Pro. I am not prolonging the original issue any further. We are going to be building a new one.

The people here who know legacy MS Windows well (I'm not one of them,though I've used and even administered various flavors over the past decade) are as good as any I've met on the Net, and the advice here is far better than what you'll find on most legacy MS Windows dedicated sites. Grygus, Whysall, Norm, and Folkert have a lot of specific experience and understanding of the beast. The fact that all of them more-or-less despise Microsoft also speaks volumes. If they can't resolve your issues, you're not likely to have them solved by anyone


I also trust them, one reason I came into this board was because I had been reading it and felt there was a wealth of knowledge here that would help me determine a) whether Andrei was fixable or b) whether we needed another option. And I still feel that the people here are very experienced and again, I appreciate all their input. Thanks :)

The question then becomes: Do I just deal with it and continue to use Win98? Do I use something else?


We have already decided, as I stated before, that we are going to be building me a new system and installing Windows XP Pro on it. I need to stay in the WIN family of OS systems because I am soon going to be seeking reemployment, and it is a major requirement in many many jobs.

I'm sorry if I upset you in any way.

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New Social norms

There are very few hard and fast rules here. Mostly it's a matter of social norms. Which you can't be expected to know unless someone tells you. So I'm telling you. Several people have indicated agreement with my comments.

\r\n\r\n

There are some who are under the mistaken belief that a spot on the top ten most prolific posters list is some sort of honor. It's not, and more likely indicates an inability to control output. Respect comes from beneficial participation.

\r\n\r\n

You should also be aware that there are those of us with LRPD addictions (that's the "new post" indicator). Finding yourself the principle contributor with multiple new posts in a forum, spawning multiple threads (you are fond of forking new threads, I'd suggest not doing so), makes it harder for those not interested in the discussion to simply ignore it.

\r\n\r\n

Please consider this a friendly nudge in the right direction.

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Re: Social norms
There are very few hard and fast rules here. Mostly it's a matter of social norms. Which you can't be expected to know unless someone tells you. So I'm telling you. Several people have indicated agreement with my comments.


Well, all Scott would have had to do was tell me, and I would stop. I'm learning here.

There are some who are under the mistaken belief that a spot on the top ten most prolific posters list is some sort of honor. It's not, and more likely indicates an inability to control output. Respect comes from beneficial participation.


I am not trying to make any posting count or anything else. I don't care less about having any certain number of posts. I only post in about 4 forums, and I was mostly posting about Andrei. I have lots of control and no ego. :)

You should also be aware that there are those of us with LRPD addictions (that's the "new post" indicator). Finding yourself the principle contributor with multiple new posts in a forum, spawning multiple threads (you are fond of forking new threads, I'd suggest not doing so), makes it harder for those not interested in the discussion to simply ignore it.


I don't understand this at all, sorry. I have no clue what an LRPD thingy is, and I gave up trying to figure it out weeks ago. I fork new threads because I have trouble following my original threads when they get too long. I also have seen it done a lot and didn't think there was any problem with doing it. I think Scott needs to address this better for me, ok Scott??

Please consider this a friendly nudge in the right direction.


No problem, just don't understand it all. :) These are some of the reasons I have never stayed at any complicated site very long, I can't figure it all out. I am having the best success with this one as any of the ones I've ever tried.

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New Re: Social norms
Frankly, I haven't seen a problem here; Karsten is making a request based on his own preferences, as we have done with him at times. My opinion is that your posting volume isn't excessive here.

Using this forum to ask questions and work through a problem is pretty much recommended use.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Re: Social norms
Frankly, I haven't seen a problem here; Karsten is making a request based on his own preferences, as we have done with him at times. My opinion is that your posting volume isn't excessive here.


Using this forum to ask questions and work through a problem is pretty much recommended use.


Thanks Scott, and I'm counting on you to tell me if I do something wrong. :)

Nightowl >8#


"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New I am with you Scott...
If Karsten would just assume not to read them...

Well, he has the option to NOT click there.

I don;t see any issue here... yes alot of posts, but not any worse than Marlowe or Brandi or Box in the political-conflict forums.

As the obligatory LRPD says:

it's alot less messy when Karsten is absent.

Or something very close...
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New LRPD: Little red plasma dot

It's the red square with a starburst in it which appears next to new posts, unread forums, etc. If you use the "mark forum read" link, you'll note that the LRPD disappears next to the forum, and posts are similarly unflagged. When a new post appears, so does the LRPD. This is Scott's evil plan at world domination, as swatting LRPDs rapidly becomes a game of whack-a-mole.

\r\n\r\n

The term also applies to the quotes which appear at the bottom of pages, also called "lepardisms".

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New Re: LRPD: Little red plasma dot
Okay, Thanks, I think I get it. Not sure why they relate to the little quotes at the bottom, but that's ok.

Nightowl >8#
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New The quotes sorta needed a name.
The term "LRPD" had been around for a while and someone suggested "LRPDism" for the quotes. It stuck. :-)

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Sort of like a "Fortune Cookie" program
except a really big list of fortunes, bigger than you can imagine.

Sometimes the LRPD gets a quote that fits with the topic that is being discussed. :)


"Bill gates cannot guarantee Windows, so how are you going to guarantee my safety?"
-John Crichton to the Emperor of the Scarrans on [link|http://www.farscape.com|FarScape]
New Yes.
Except that the fortune program that comes with RH8 has several thousand fortunes. And back when I was on FidoNet, I knew of people who had tens of thousands of taglines (aka fortunes). So our LRPDism list is not really all that big. :-)

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New ObLRPD

Ego cleanup on isle three

--\r\n
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]\r\n
[link|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/|http://kmself.home.netcom.com/]\r\n
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?\r\n
[link|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/|TWikIWETHEY] -- an experiment in collective intelligence. Stupidity. Whatever.\r\n
\r\n
   Keep software free.     Oppose the CBDTPA.     Kill S.2048 dead.\r\n[link|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html|http://www.eff.org/alerts/20020322_eff_cbdtpa_alert.html]\r\n
New :-) ObLRPD: I don't get no respect!
PS. My collection is enshrined at [link|http://yceran.org/stuff/4tag/|http://yceran.org/stuff/4tag/]

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Well aisle be.
I didn't now till just now that I had joined the ranks of lerpadism contributors. I feel all warm and fuzzy.
The world is only a simple place to the simple.
New ObLRPD: Thanks for noticing.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Social Norms . .
. . now Norm did violate them (but he's better now), and Merlin too - but that takes quite a bit of doing around here.

When a thread or set of threads seems tedious and tiresome, I have found a cure for that. Don't read those threads. This is a good thing, because I tend to find about 70% of the content here meets that qualification, and my mind pretty much blanks out at the 7th shift to the right.

OK, I'm really not so compulsive, so maybe others have more trouble with thread withdrawal. Perhaps some take these forums real seriously and want them pure and lean for posterity, but that's futile - it'll all be composting in the great bit bucket soon enough - so the 0s and 1s can be freed up for use on other planets.

I found your adventures with Andre threads to be too slow moving and tedious for my taste (my attitude on misbehaving machines is, after all, "strip for parts now and ask questions later"), So I just picked at them now and then. I do not, however, begrudge you your threads nor consider them a violation of Social Norms, nor do I find it demeaning that others might wish to participate in them. Different people have different tastes, interests, delusions budgets and axes to grind.

They don't mess with my delusions and axes and I won't mess with theirs.

[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Re: Social Norms . .
I found your adventures with Andre threads to be too slow moving and tedious for my taste (my attitude on misbehaving machines is, after all, "strip for parts now and ask questions later"), So I just picked at them now and then. I do not, however, begrudge you your threads nor consider them a violation of Social Norms, nor do I find it demeaning that others might wish to participate in them. Different people have different tastes, interests, delusions budgets and axes to grind.


Hehehe, that's Andrei. :) And I understand they were tedious and slow moving, so was all the testing I was doing. But I still gained a great deal of information from posting them and I am glad for that, because it helped us to make a better decision. I'm just glad the testing is over.... Whew.

Thanks, Andrew.

Nightowl >8#


"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
New And he singeth to the Chior... AhhhhhMEN!
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New On the magic man,
with straight tech discussion he was spot on with stuff to ad. Once it got away from "tried that it didnt work" it quickly degeneres It is a shame he did not continue(albeit upstream ) to continue the discussion.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
New Stripping parts is the best way to fix a problem
but it won't teach us what went wrong and why the problem happened. But right now, that doesn't seem to be an issue anymore as to what exactly happened as she is ordering a new system with XP. New parts, a new OS, and hopefully the problem will go away. If not, she'll be back here making more posts about it.

I heard stories where people stripped the parts, and then reset the CMOS settings on the motherboard to factory defaults and never had a problem with that hardware again and were able to use it elsewhere. It also could be a bad combination of motherboard and power supply, as you said previously.

But you are correct, stripping out the parts and replacing them with new ones solves the problems most times. So does reformatting the hard drive and reinstalling the OS in some cases. That is the quickest way of solving a problem rather that investigate everything and spend hours or days trying to figure out what went wrong. I wrote off the hardware I was using for the Linux install as bad, and as soon as I can replace it, I will try to install Linux again.


"Bill gates cannot guarantee Windows, so how are you going to guarantee my safety?"
-John Crichton to the Emperor of the Scarrans on [link|http://www.farscape.com|FarScape]
New There is a point of...
Diminishing returns. Andrew knows that... and prefers to just FIXIT and get on with life rather than waste time figgering it out to be a common/non-sensical Windows OS problem.

The Learning part is sometimes more painful then the over-fixing part.
b4k4^2
[link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!]   [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!]
[link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,857673,00.asp|Writing on wall, Microsoft to develop apps for Linux by 2004]
Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberspace_strategy.pdf|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
"Questions" will be asked at safety checkpoints.
New :) So true
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]

questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]

Since corporations are the equivelent of human but they have no "concience" they are by definition sociopaths
New Before you upgrade
Check out this post thread:

[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=98492|http://z.iwethey.org...w?contentid=98492]

It rang a few bells in my mind about how Spyware gets installed on systems and how it can affect performance and eat up memory.

If you can, get a copy of Ad-Aware 6.0:
[link|http://www.lavasoft.de/software/adaware/|http://www.lavasoft.de/software/adaware/]

See what it finds on your system. You never know what is there until you scan for it.


"Bill gates cannot guarantee Windows, so how are you going to guarantee my safety?"
-John Crichton to the Emperor of the Scarrans on [link|http://www.farscape.com|FarScape]
New NIKOLAI IS HERE! ( was Re: Before you upgrade) (new thread)
Created as new thread #98657 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=98657|NIKOLAI IS HERE! ( was Re: Before you upgrade)]
"Only dead fish swim with the stream."
Linda Ellerbee
     Andrei, Plan B- Converting from Win 98 to Win XP Business - (Nightowl) - (38)
         That's XP Pro - (Andrew Grygus) - (2)
             Re: That's XP Pro - (Nightowl) - (1)
                 Answers - (Andrew Grygus)
         Sorry, cain't he'p myse'f - (jb4) - (3)
             Editor Holy Wars - (jake123) - (2)
                 As the saying goes... - (folkert) - (1)
                     What can I say? - (jake123)
         Best thing to do - (orion) - (1)
             Re: Best thing to do - (Nightowl)
         Suggestions if I may - (kmself) - (26)
             Reconmendations - (orion)
             You forgot one - (jake123) - (2)
                 OS/2 eCS - (orion) - (1)
                     Pricing - (jake123)
             Re: Suggestions if I may - (Nightowl) - (21)
                 Social norms - (kmself) - (20)
                     Re: Social norms - (Nightowl) - (18)
                         Re: Social norms - (admin) - (2)
                             Re: Social norms - (Nightowl)
                             I am with you Scott... - (folkert)
                         LRPD: Little red plasma dot - (kmself) - (8)
                             Re: LRPD: Little red plasma dot - (Nightowl) - (7)
                                 The quotes sorta needed a name. - (static) - (6)
                                     Sort of like a "Fortune Cookie" program - (orion) - (5)
                                         Yes. - (static) - (4)
                                             ObLRPD - (kmself) - (2)
                                                 :-) ObLRPD: I don't get no respect! - (static)
                                                 Well aisle be. - (Silverlock)
                                             ObLRPD: Thanks for noticing. -NT - (admin)
                         Social Norms . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                             Re: Social Norms . . - (Nightowl)
                             And he singeth to the Chior... AhhhhhMEN! -NT - (folkert)
                             On the magic man, - (boxley)
                             Stripping parts is the best way to fix a problem - (orion) - (1)
                                 There is a point of... - (folkert)
                     :) So true -NT - (boxley)
         Before you upgrade - (orion) - (1)
             NIKOLAI IS HERE! ( was Re: Before you upgrade) (new thread) - (Nightowl)

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