Post #9,032
9/14/01 12:28:04 AM
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What to make of this?
Due diligence demands we process this input somehow or other: [link|http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=6946|http://www.indymedi...icle_id=6946]
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Post #9,035
9/14/01 12:39:06 AM
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Interesting if true...
...but while I'd love to find something like that to use against the frightening wave of anti-arab sentiment that's rushing throughout the US, so far it doesn't make any sense.
What does CNN have to gain from that? And if it wasn't actually happening, why haven't any of the countries denied it? Also, those events were confirmed independently by an ABCNews correspondent who has friends in that area (according to that correspondent).
And finally, if it was CNNs wish to stir up trouble, why would the media go to such lengths to stress, even as the tape was being shown, that such celebrations were NOT participated in by all groups, and that in fact the leaders of the countries the celebrations were taking place in were condeming the attacks instead of joining in?
I guess I won't completely discount it simply because I read an article somewhere that CNN has lost a lot of the respect it once had, and they might be trying a ratings boost, but to be honest I'm having trouble mustering up that much cynicism -- and when it comes to the media, I can muster rather a lot.
"We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?"
- Edward Young
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Post #9,041
9/14/01 1:48:32 AM
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Re: My first reaction to those images was how odd !
I would not be the least surprised if these were shown to be old Gulf war footage. They were shown here in China on both mainland & HK channels as well as Greek, French & one other expat channel.
Even had it been recent images, they looked almost staged or not quite right.
If it can be proved that these were lies/propaganda someone needs to be fired. CNN should be made to publicly admit that one of its employees did this and that they allowed it to continue. If true it is unbelievably despicable.
I would be wanting to know what the real motive was behind such a deed if proven true.
- Was it a case of the actions took place but they had no direct footage so showed archieval tape
- Was it politically inspired to whip up anti-Palestinian feeling (which it sure did)
- Was it just a simple & honest mistake (that would take some convincing to accept)
Doug Marker
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Post #9,049
9/14/01 3:03:43 AM
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If that is true . . .
. . then CNN should be taken off the air for a month. If that is true, it should be considered a criminal act, and those responsible punished severely. Being banned from the news media for life seems the minimum that would be acceptable.
Unless there is overwhelming mitigating circumstances. It is said Arafat's organization was threatening the life of a cameraman if his footage was shown. If that was a credible threat and caused the footage to not be available, then there is justification for use of library footage, and my statement above is void. The punishment should be elsewhere (but the substitution should still have been footnoted).
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Post #9,123
9/14/01 1:26:30 PM
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That would be no excuse, unless they clearly labelled...
the stock footage as such.
And why wouldn't they want us to know about it if their cameramen were harassed?
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Post #9,136
9/14/01 2:04:26 PM
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Why?
Possibly to keep the cameramen from being killed.
"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
--Thomas Jefferson
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Post #9,192
9/14/01 6:00:10 PM
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Well, now you've opened a can of worms.
The cameramen might be assassinated if they speak up?
Presumably they'd wait until the cameramen are "safely" home beofre speaking of the matter. Will the censors stop short of tracking them down and killing them in the free world?
If not, why wouldn't they also go after every reporter and news anchorman who criticises the Palestininas at all?
Might they even go after you and I?
See, this is why I remain pseudonymous. Let the murderous assholes of the world try to track down Philip Marlowe, and kill him in his flat at the Hobart Arms in Los Angeles, California. Or maybe they'll just ram an airliner into the Cahuenga building.
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Post #9,197
9/14/01 6:40:47 PM
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Ve know how ve weel finding you..
The paper trail.. all those wholesale orders for Tasty Cakes\ufffd sent Fed-Ex. And the pizza orders.
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Post #9,050
9/14/01 3:35:01 AM
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Interesting mix from the jingoistic to the surreal.
But several pointed out the presence of cars later than '91 (actually late '90) in the questionable footage. Also a more relevant screed: [link|http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2001/9/13/164338|http://www.newsmax..../9/13/164338]
Thursday, Sept. 13, 2001
Arafat Thugs Censored Footage of Joyful
Palestinians
The Foreign Press Association today denounced
efforts by the Palestinian Authority to prevent
coverage of Arabs rejoicing at the terrorist
attacks on the United States.
A small demonstration by despicable anti-American
fanatics in East Jerusalem was broadcast around
the globe, but coverage of a much bigger rally in
Palestinian-administered Nablus was foiled by
police and other armed men - and by threats from
Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority, the press
association said.
This is the same Arafat who created a cute little
photo opportunity for himself by donating a pint
of blood, supposedly to the terror victims - as if
there were any way to get his blood to New York.
The FPA said today that "police forces and armed
gunmen tried to prevent photo and video coverage
of Tuesday's rally in Nablus. ... We strongly
condemn the direct threats made against local
videographers by local militia members and the
attitude of Palestinian officials who made no
effort to counter the threats, control the
situation, or to guarantee the safety of the
journalists and the freedom of the press."
An Associated Press photographer who took pictures
of the celebrations received phone calls from
people who identified themselves as members of
Arafat's Tanzim militia group and who said they
could not guarantee his safety if the pictures
were published, an FPA source said.
Two senior Palestinian officials later phoned the
AP office in Jerusalem and expressed "concern"
over the photographer's safety if the pictures
were published, the source added.
The terroristic censors got their way; the
pictures were not published.
Associated Press bureau chief Dan Perry told
United Press International that "there was a very
real danger to the cameraman, and we acted to
protect the safety of our staff."
The Foreign Press Association statement added: "We
call on the PA to ensure freedom of the press and
the free flow of information and to prevent
elements operating within PA jurisdiction from
making or carrying out threats that aim to impede
this and effectively impose censorship. We hold
the PA fully responsible for the safety of each
and every journalist operating within their areas,
especially those who were filming and covering
Tuesday's events in Nablus."
There was no comment from the thugs at the
Palestinian Authority. Amidst the expected extreme statements were a few which went to the root: if we knee-jerk into sending Afghanistan + occupants back to stone age - that will be a 100% guarantee of much more and worse as shall follow precisely in the Israel/Palestine endless loop. We would also then miss the points about bin Ladin's wide-ranging plans for the long term, as Doug Marker set out in his linked post. This matter won't yield even to megatons; only to years of actual multinational cooperation: it's about Fundamentalist aim to creat havoc, prevail and construct new Theocracies. (Just as our home-grown Fundament-alists would like a Theocracy here, having begun via inflitration of school boards) Methinks: patience next? or Israel / Palestine / Murica added. A.
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Post #9,056
9/14/01 6:05:33 AM
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Re: Arafat - he should have given 10 pints in 1 go
That man & his puppies of war have a lot to answer for.
D
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Post #9,062
9/14/01 9:22:27 AM
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need to see the footage again and look at the cars
why did god give us a talleywhacker and a trigger finger if he didnt want us to use them?
Randy Wayne White
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Post #9,133
9/14/01 1:59:28 PM
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Link no good
...as of 100p CDT
Any other addresses? Clips? Paraphrases?
jb4
(Resistance is not futile...)
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