Re: Even more to it -was there in the trenches with howitzer

Post #89,366 by bluke 3/19/03 7:41:16 AM Reply	Re: Even more to it -was there in the trenches with howitzer What did you mean by this "I later concluded that MS was right - Swing only worked for native apps & then it was still poor in some areas." What is a native app in this context? I was with Swing from the start, I developed apps using Swing 1.0 in JDK 1.1.6 and up (using com.sun.swing packages). From the start it was dog slow an buggy. In theory Swing was a good idea, you would get the same set of widgets on every platform, working the same on all platforms. However, in practice, it didn't work, for 2 reasons: 1. Performance, performance, performance. The performance even today sucks 2. Native look and feel support, the Windows L&F has never quite emulated real Windows 100%. In fact, Sun has still not come out with a Windows XP L&F. My preference would have been a fixed AWT with MVC (e.g. every widget would have a model like with Swing etc.), those widgets not found on any given platform would be emulated. SWT is too simplistic in that respect.
Post #89,378 by johnu 3/19/03 9:02:44 AM Reply	Re: Even more to it -was there in the trenches with howitzer My preference would have been a fixed AWT with MVC (e.g. every widget would have a model like with Swing etc.), those widgets not found on any given platform would be emulated. SWT is too simplistic in that respect. Are you talking about plain SWT or are you including JFace? My understanding is that JFace is the MVC wrapper around SWT. We are moving to Java development and have done a first proof of concept module using Swing (which is integrated into our PowerBuilder app). It works ok, but I'm wondering if SWT is ready now to replace Swing. What's your opinion? Regards, John Urberg
Post #89,434 by bluke 3/19/03 12:05:04 PM Reply	This is what I understand I have used Swing extensively, I have only read about SWT and have not used it. JFace is a UI toolkit implemented using SWT that simplifies common UI programming tasks. JFace is window-system-independent in both its API and implementation, and is designed to work with SWT without hiding it. I don't think that JFace provides the same level of MVC suport that Swing does. [link\|http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/os-ecgui1/index.html?dwzone=java\|JFace tutorial]

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