I wouldn't bother with evidence.

Post #79,557 by bepatient 2/5/03 2:25:47 PM Reply	I wouldn't bother with evidence. It will obviously do you no good here. Unless, of course, Powell walked in with a nuke..or a full canister of nerve gas...set it on the table and said..."Blix found this"...what was presented today will not be accepted. Regardless of the fact that it does show a continued pattern of obstruction. "But it doesn't really, because its obviously a tape of George talking to Dick in gibberish...after all...nobody understands this stuff anyway...we can tell them anything we want. "...and so on...and so on... You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #79,564 by mmoffitt 2/5/03 2:52:27 PM Reply	You are a true believer. .... Remarkable. Keep drinkin' the Kool-Aid, Beep.
Post #79,587 by bepatient 2/5/03 3:24:16 PM Reply	I said no such thing. And even with a "smoking gun", I see no reason to invade Iraq. I don't view them as a clear and present danger to the security of the United States. This was simply a statement to Marlowe to not bother. It is obvious that there are some here that will accept nothing as proof...even direct evidence...if that proof differs from their opinion. However, I do see this continued game being played as proof that the United Nations is a farce and a waste of taxpayer money and diplomatic efforts. No need to drink the kool-aid bud. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #79,652 by mmoffitt 2/5/03 6:44:37 PM Reply	Oh, I thought you implied there was "evidence". I have no doubt that Saddam Hussein is a dastardly fellow. I've known that since at least the last time the current crop was in power (recall Rumsfield's trip to shake Saddam's hand during the time Iraq was using US supplied WMD?). This group of thugs (along with Dubya's Daddy) blocked attempts to institute trade sanctions against Iraq for using Mustard Gas on his own people. These guys have no credibility with me. They didn't in the 80's, they don't now. And that includes the "untouchable" Colon Powell. (spelling intentional)
Post #79,656 by boxley 2/5/03 6:53:28 PM Reply	what I cant figger out is that you guys all agree we gave sadaam WMD but are now saying they never existed. Can ya make up yer friggin minds? thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #79,657 by mmoffitt 2/5/03 6:55:24 PM Reply	Cite please? When did I ever say anything like that? That said, I doubt, after the last round of very heavy bombing, that many remain. Which is why the inspectors are a good idea - just in case we missed any while we were killing >50,000 civilians.
Post #79,660 by boxley 2/5/03 7:01:20 PM Reply	So you will admit that some may remain? Now is Sadaam co-operating with the inspectors? Is there any evidence that he has given up his wanting of WMD? I am not sure if invasion is needed just assasination of him and 100 of his closest friends. thanx, bill will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #79,668 by Brandioch 2/5/03 7:18:16 PM Reply	Was wanting to have the the crime? Is there any evidence that he has given up his wanting of WMD? He can WANT. So what? It isn't the WANT, it's the USAGE. Duh! Now is Sadaam co-operating with the inspectors? Not as much as certain people would like. But then, certain people want to invade no matter WHAT is found. How about this. Is the US co-operating with the inspectors? The US is the one pushing for war. But the US is NOT sharing the information it CLAIMS it has. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Post #79,670 by mmoffitt 2/5/03 7:34:40 PM Reply	No, it isn't the usage either. Or, maybe now it is. In the 80's it wasn't, but that was then, I guess, this is now. IMO, Rumsfeld is as morally bankrupt as Saddam is.
Post #79,675 by boxley 2/5/03 7:49:55 PM Reply	IMO you are right will work for cash and other incentives [link\|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html\|skill set] questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #79,750 by Brandioch 2/5/03 11:05:19 PM Reply	And tomorrow is another day. When the usage might be okay again. After all, we have our elements who want to use OUR "Weapons of Mass Destruction" against innocent civilians. If we do it -or- If our "friends" do it -or- If it is done to our "enemies" -or- If it is done to people we really just care about -then- We be cool with that. For today. As long as you're our "friend" and/or they are our "enemy". And if YOU refrain from using them...... Well........... You'd better be our best "friend" in that neighborhood..... Otherwise, we just might support a better "friend"...... When THEY use them against YOU. And that is our FIRM position. We are not monsters We're moral people And yet we have the strength to do this -Shriekback, Nemesis
Post #79,665 by Brandioch 2/5/03 7:14:19 PM Reply	Ditto. Cite please? When did I ever say anything like that?
Post #79,722 by bepatient 2/5/03 10:16:20 PM Reply	No...the statement was simple... ...even if CP walked in to the UN today and put a nuke on the table with Sadam's signature on it...there would be those here that would not accept that as evidence. Sort of like what you were implying by implying that I was implying something ;) You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #79,946 by mmoffitt 2/6/03 7:30:31 PM Reply	Nonsense. You are confusing being unable to take at face value what the current administration says with being unable of being convinced that Saddam has WMD. I think he probably does have some of the stuff left that members of THE CURRENT US GOVERNMENT GAVE HIM in the late 1980's and the 90's almost up to the moment of the Gulf War. And given their track record (lies to enrage the US population enough to support a war effort in 1990 and 1991) why should anyone believe Colon Powell, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc.? What was it Dubya said? "Fool me once .... shame on .... shame on you. ...............You fool me, cain't get fooled agin." or, for those with IQ's above 70, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
Post #79,573 by jbrabeck 2/5/03 3:09:03 PM Reply	I would like some evidence, or at least justification. Must be old age, cuz I see no reason, rational, justification or insert your word here, for an attack on Iraq. Now, before the flamers come out, I am retired Army. Was in during 'Nam, 7 day war, and Gulf war. I have put in my time defending my country. In the past, I could always believe that we were defending something. Key word there, defending. A "first strike" in not a defense. Iraq cannot hurt the US, cannot attack the US and doesn't even scare the US. So why the fork does Dubya want to attack? To play war hero? To ensure his reelection? Hey, my neighbor says he wants to punch my lights out. Should I go buy a gun and kill him? Dubya is just plain WRONG. If the UN (not the US) finds a reason for first strike, then so be it. (The police could arrest my neighbor if credible witness are found) Not fighting for Oil. Not fighting to protect ourselves. So what is this saber rattling about? Why? Note: Neighbor is used for an example. Only wife wants to put the lights out (but for OTHER reasons. ;p) [link\|mailto:jbrabeck@attbi.com\|Joe]
Post #79,585 by Brandioch 2/5/03 3:22:13 PM Reply	We must kill their civilians! Because they MIGHT, in the FUTURE, launch an attack against SOMEONE (not the USofA). Or, they MIGHT, in the FUTURE, give some "WMD's" to some TERRORISTS to kill people (maybe in the USofA) and those TERRORISTS might NOT be caught in time. Good God, man! If the possible threat of future attack that may NOT be foiled isn't enough to justify the murder of Iraqi children THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS?!? Hey, my neighbor says he wants to punch my lights out. Should I go buy a gun and kill him? Don't be stupid. You should kill him AND his family. Then you should auction off his land and spend the money on improving the neighborhood. Starting with repainting your house and doing that kitchen upgrade the wife wanted.
Post #79,591 by bepatient 2/5/03 3:36:34 PM Reply	Don't forget grinding children's heads beneath our boots. And murdering their grandparents...and raping their daughters. et al yawn You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #79,590 by bepatient 2/5/03 3:33:33 PM Reply	Re: I would like some evidence, or at least justification. Dubya is just plain WRONG. If the UN (not the US) finds a reason for first strike, then so be it. (The police could arrest my neighbor if credible witness are found) Full agreement. And my (just made) post is essentially an indictment of those police. I think this entire situation should have been focused on the United Nations. Instead of idle chatter...it should have been an insistence that Iraq be held accountable for its past and current violations of UN mandates. GW has made this a US vs Iraq issue...it should have been a US vs UN issue. I would have tied resolution not to impending "first strike" war with Iraq...but to our membership and continued support of the United Nations. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]

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