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Post #7,830
by mmoffitt
9/6/01 12:47:53 PM
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New If?
"... and if they are caught doing anything that they've been convicted for, under conduct remedies, there's no need to have a trial, its a matter of slapping them down, immediately."

Tying is out, apparently. So, there go the claims about the Windows Media Player inclusion in XP, the IM in XP, etc. being an illegal leveraging of the OS monopoly to thwart QuickTime, RealMedia, AOL/IM, etc.

And what real penalty has M$ ever suffered? I submit that even under your terms, Microsoft would be able to use its vast stores of $ to drag through the courts until the issue is moot (as it successfully did in running Netscape out of business). It doesn't take much imagination to see what happened to Netscape happening to Real, QTime, game companies for the X-box, etc.

Post #7,839
by addison
9/6/01 1:08:13 PM
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New Maybe.
I don't know what the DoJ/States are thinking, here.

Tying is out, apparently. So, there go the claims about the Windows Media Player inclusion in XP, the IM in XP, etc. being an illegal leveraging of the OS monopoly to thwart QuickTime, RealMedia, AOL/IM, etc.

Apparently that's tying of the browser.

I think they want to reopen the case of the other issues, how that will play, I don't know.

I submit that even under your terms, Microsoft would be able to use its vast stores of $ to drag through the courts until the issue is moot (as it successfully did in running Netscape out of business).

But its not my terms, there.

You've got to have legal standing to press a case. If they're under conduct remedies, and they're found to have violated them - then there's not much they can do about it. There's no epic battle to the Supreme Court, etc.. because the upper courts won't take it.

Addison
     Bloomberg: US won't seek breakup, drops tying claim. - (Another Scott) - (19) - Sept. 6, 2001, 10:36:30 AM EDT
         Figures... - (Simon_Jester) - (10) - Sept. 6, 2001, 10:48:46 AM EDT
             Ya know... - (addison) - (9) - Sept. 6, 2001, 11:19:58 AM EDT
                 Yeah, right. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Sept. 6, 2001, 12:05:28 PM EDT
                     Re: Yeah, right. - (addison) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2001, 12:24:53 PM EDT
                         You're more optimistic than I am. - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 6, 2001, 12:42:09 PM EDT
                 yeah, but... - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - Sept. 6, 2001, 12:19:49 PM EDT
                     Think of parole... - (addison) - (4) - Sept. 6, 2001, 12:35:05 PM EDT
                         If? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2001, 12:47:53 PM EDT
                             Maybe. - (addison) - Sept. 6, 2001, 01:08:13 PM EDT
                         Add... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2001, 01:05:56 PM EDT
                             No. I'm talking about the difference between then and now. - (addison) - Sept. 6, 2001, 01:18:59 PM EDT
         No matter... - (Yendor) - (5) - Sept. 6, 2001, 11:00:59 AM EDT
             States joined DOJ in statement. Propose Jackson's remedies. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Sept. 6, 2001, 11:17:14 AM EDT
                 Good remedies. - (admin) - Sept. 6, 2001, 11:30:43 AM EDT
                 That covers the two worst problems - (drewk) - Sept. 6, 2001, 11:40:54 AM EDT
                 As to just boot loader provisions - (Ashton) - Sept. 6, 2001, 05:01:53 PM EDT
             Going for speed - (Silverlock) - Sept. 6, 2001, 02:44:41 PM EDT
         Don't know how much difference it makes - (wharris2) - Sept. 6, 2001, 11:21:33 AM EDT
         This isn't new - (warmachine) - Sept. 6, 2001, 11:34:50 AM EDT

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