Good luck, man.

Post #75,256 by inthane-chan 1/17/03 7:58:49 PM Reply	Good luck, man. I'd tell ya to come to Seattle, but for three things: 1. There's no work here. 2. They're evicting people who live on their boats - seriously! 3. It's fucking COLD here... Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
Post #75,271 by ben_tilly 1/17/03 9:54:03 PM Reply	Cold? What are you smoking? Look at the current weather forecasts for [link\|http://www.weather.com/weather/local/10016?whatprefs=\|NYC] and [link\|http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWA0395?lswe=Seattle%2C+WA&lswa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&whatprefs=\|Seattle]. Right now it is 16 degrees in NYC, and 48 in Seattle. Seattle has no alerts, NYC has a local cold alert because with wind chill it is below 0. Trade ya? :-) Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #75,281 by deSitter 1/17/03 10:18:06 PM Reply	That explains all the coffee -drl
Post #75,282 by admin 1/17/03 10:24:52 PM Reply	5F here. Wind chill is -5F. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #75,290 by Silverlock 1/17/03 10:40:21 PM Reply	You win so far in the midwest +7 in Champaign Ill as of 9:00 PM CT. ...rare is the dollar of corporate profits that bears a tax burden heavier than the burden on an employee's wages. [link\|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/opinion/columns/kinsleymichael/\|Michael Kinsley]
Post #75,301 by ben_tilly 1/17/03 10:59:59 PM Reply	Remind me not to visit you... At least not anywhere near winter... Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #75,317 by deSitter 1/17/03 11:37:01 PM Reply	Listen to them whine! Oswego NY had a yardstick of snow. -drl
Post #75,338 by inthane-chan 1/18/03 1:27:20 AM Reply	Naw. Cold RELATIVE to what he's looking for. Besides, it's the humidity that gets ya here - when it gets humid and cold, it feels like it's freezing... Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
Post #75,359 by ben_tilly 1/18/03 8:35:48 AM Reply	I remember when I used to think... that the Pacific Northwest felt cold when it was around freezing and humid. Then I moved to NH. :-P Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #75,369 by Another Scott 1/18/03 10:45:19 AM Reply	Don't think I ever felt colder than in Georgia, waiting for a schoolbus when it was about 34 F, because it was so humid. Brr! It just sucks the heat out of you. It felt colder to me than when it was -20 F in Chicago (the air's very dry at that temperature). -20 F is rather neat because it freezes your nose hairs. Cheers, Scott.
Post #75,642 by inthane-chan 1/20/03 11:07:14 AM Reply	I've been to D.C. in 0 degree weather... ...not including wind chill. Winds were 30-40mph out on the mall, and my wife and I were outside for about two hours in a line. Yeah, that's bloody cold - but for some reason, I can handle the dry cold. Humidity gets under your skin, behind your ears, in your socks, your undies, freezes like little icicles on your short 'n curlies. /me shudders just thinking about what it gets like here at night these days... Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
Post #75,672 by ben_tilly 1/20/03 12:22:19 PM Reply	When was this? Washington, DC is well south of NYC and quite a bit warmer. And it doesn't get anywhere near 0 F very bloody often here. Unless you can give me independently verifiable details on when this was, I strongly suspect that you are misremembering here. And even if you aren't, I have to say that I can heartily say from direct experience that humid and around freezing doesn't bother me anything like 0 F and dry. Also I can say from direct experience that one of the worst things about a dry cold is static electricity. Spend a full winter in NH and you will know what I mean. Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #75,675 by inthane-chan 1/20/03 12:32:26 PM Reply	About 2 years ago. Christmas 2000, we went to visit my dad for about a week. This last time we were there, the temperature was a much more reasonable 30 degrees or thereabouts. The windchill was still something vicious, but it was much more tolerable than last time. It could just be me, though... Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
Post #75,683 by ben_tilly 1/20/03 12:57:24 PM Reply	Please find the day in question Here is [link\|http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KDCA/2000/12/25/DailyHistory.html\|Christmas 2000] in Washington, DC and it seemed to be barely below freezing. Please don't think that I am being a jerk. But I happened to be walking around in [link\|http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KLEB/2000/12/25/DailyHistory.html\|this] and I know that the Pacific Northwest didn't come within a mile of comparing to that. (Their site does not go back to 92/93, which was when I learned what -20 is like. Not a fun memory.) Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #75,697 by inthane-chan 1/20/03 1:45:01 PM Reply	Huh. Can't find it. It's possible that what I'm thinking of is that with wind chill the temperature was down to 0 or thereabouts - but I do very specifically remember the TV talking about it being 0. That's probably where I screwed up, trusting anything said on TV. I'll agree that -20f would probably beat the holy crap out of anything that we experience over here. I'll also agree that it's quite possible that my personal opinion of humidity being the real killer is quite subjective, and open to interpretation. And no, I don't think you're being a jerk. :) Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
Post #75,720 by ben_tilly 1/20/03 3:10:57 PM Reply	I think your possibility is right And my experience is that their figures of what it is like "with windchill" really mean, "with windchill and assuming you were an idiot while dressing." That doesn't at all (to me if I am dressed for it) feel like the raw temperature in question does... Cheers, Ben "good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not" - [link\|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html\|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Post #75,705 by admin 1/20/03 2:19:54 PM Reply	He is misremembering. :-) \nNOUS41 KLWX 071408\nPNSLWX\nDCZ001-MDZ002>007-009>011-013-014-016>018-VAZ021-025>031-036>042-\n050>057-WVZ048>055-080500-\n\nPUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT\nNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON\n905 AM EST SAT DEC 7 2002\n\n...RECORD COLD TEMPERATURES SET THIS MORNING...\n\nLONG STANDING LOW TEMPERATURE RECORDS WERE BROKEN THIS MORNING AS A \nFRESH SNOWPACK...CALM WINDS AND CLEAR SKIES ALLOWED TEMPERATURES TO \nPLUMMET AROUND 30 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL OVERNIGHT. \n\nAT BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT A 117 YEAR OLD RECORD \nLOW TEMPERATURE WAS BROKEN. AT 5:04 AM THE TEMPERATURE FELL TO 6 \nDEGREES. THIS EXCEEEDED THE PREVIOUS RECORD OF 15 DEGREES SET IN \n1885.\n\nAT DULLES INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AT 7:25 AM THE TEMPERATURE FELL TO 1 \nDEGREE ABOVE ZERO. THIS SMASHED THE PREVIOUS RECORD OF 18 DEGREES \nSET IN 1977. \n\nAT WASHINGTON REAGAN NATIONAL AIRPORT...THE RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE \nON THIS DATE IS 10 DEGREES WHICH WAS SET IN 1882. THANKS TO THE \nURBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT...THE LOW TEMPERATURE ONLY FELL TO 18 \nDEGREES. \n\n [link\|http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:g4n6J2qR1wAC:www.srh.noaa.gov/data/wbc/pns/WBCPNSLWX.1.txt+%22record+low%22+temperature+%22washington+d.c.%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8\|Dunno how long this link will last] since the page on the actual website is different now. HTH. :-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #75,709 by Another Scott 1/20/03 2:32:25 PM Reply	Those aren't all-time December records though. Those are just records for a particular day in December. [link\|http://www.intellicast.com/Almanac/MidAtlantic/December/\|http://www.intellica...tlantic/December/] - Record December low in DC is -13 F (it doesn't say when though). I've seen the Potomac frozen over, but not in the last couple of years. It's been pretty mild up recently, until this year. Brr. HTH. Cheers, Scott.
Post #75,716 by admin 1/20/03 2:56:17 PM Reply	Yep, my bad. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

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