Post #75,204
1/17/03 3:47:40 PM
8/21/07 6:16:19 AM
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IWETHEY--
Down and out in the city of light.
Our company makes software that manages job postings and applications for huge companies. Of course, nobody is hiring, they're firing and so they don't need to manage thousands of job applications per day - they just pipe them to /dev/null.
So today it was announced the version 3 (my project) is being shelved until the economy improves or the company runs out of cash - whichever comes first.
So I'm expecting to return to the US around the first of March.
Time to warm up the contacts.
I am out of the country for the duration of the Bush administration.
Please leave a message and I'll get back to you when democracy returns.
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Post #75,205
1/17/03 3:49:38 PM
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Sorry to hear it.
You may need to update your .sig
Why should we ask our military to die for cheap oil when the rest of us aren't even being asked to get better mileage?
-[link|http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?itemid=14107|Molly Ivins]
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Post #75,209
1/17/03 4:03:20 PM
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do you have a place to return to and where is it
we can start looking for ya.
thanx,
bill
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
You think that you can trust the government to look after your rights? ask an Indian
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Post #75,213
1/17/03 4:29:02 PM
8/21/07 6:17:17 AM
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Good Question
I have contacts (rather stale but voluminous) in Denver - plus I can stay with my mom.
I have fewer but somewhat warmer contacts in San Francisco - but the cost of living is less good and I don't want to burn through my savings - I can live on my boat for awhile though.
I've visited San Diego and rather liked it - its warmer than SF (which has weather that gets me down after awhile since it never warms up).
My wife's mom lives near LA in Ontario Calif. She's going to hole up there with our monkey while I close out the apartment and sell all of our stuff. So that might be a base to work from.
Actually, any nice warm coastal place I can keep a sailboat appeals.
I just blew off an interview with Ciber (the automatic testing freaks) in St Louis. I don't think I'm up for another BS loaded job with clueless tie wearing PHBs. I'd rather just write some cool stuff.
To tell you the truth, I'm kind of burned out and thinking maybe I ought to take some time off. I've also been inspired by TJSinclair's entrance into grad school - I've started applications to a couple of them - lined up some good recommendations so far. I still need something to carry me to next spring when I could get started though...
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
-- Alan Perlis
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Post #75,223
1/17/03 5:20:53 PM
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got some nice marinas around here, dice 813,727 area codes
will work for cash and other incentives [link|http://home.tampabay.rr.com/boxley/resume/Resume.html|skill set]
You think that you can trust the government to look after your rights? ask an Indian
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Post #75,316
1/17/03 11:34:45 PM
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Great idea
Go there Todd. You like boats, they got boats. Then I'd have three reasons to go to Florida soon.
-drl
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Post #75,347
1/18/03 2:27:22 AM
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We'll take ya. Gues the eariler job here was moot?
Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
BOfH, 2002 "Episode" 10
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Post #75,351
1/18/03 5:29:29 AM
8/21/07 6:22:32 AM
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Chief Scientists was recently converted JHead
He took offense when I suggested that Java had shortcomings.
It was the "off on the wrong foot" interview from hell.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
--Alan Perlis
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Post #75,211
1/17/03 4:08:57 PM
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Le bummer
Still it must have been a nice gig.
-drl
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Post #75,220
1/17/03 5:04:12 PM
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Sorry about that, Todd. Good luck on the next step!
Alex
"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session."\t-- Mark Twain
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Post #75,248
1/17/03 7:37:29 PM
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Sorry to hear about it
good luck finding something else. The economy isn't too good here either. I think most of my resumes and other people's resumes got piped into /dev/null as well.
If you cannot find work, think about starting up a small business and do consulting work, that way you look like you are employed even if you only work part of the time. A small business doesn't cost that much to start, and you always can find a good accountant cheap, or buy a copy of Quickbooks or Peachtree to do it for you.
Or you could just sign on with consulting companies until they find you something, but be very weary of contracts, read the fine line and look for any that speaks about non-competes. One friend of mine had to move out of the St. Louis area becuase his old contract said that if he left the company, he would not compete with that company in the computer business. Which means he moved to Fort Lenard Wood, a few places over.
Find a city that is thriving, San Francisco, Denver, Kanasas City, St. Louis, and others are not good places right now unless you got very good connections and leads. I have friends who told me the other places were no good right now.
[link|http://pub75.ezboard.com/bantiiwethey|
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Post #75,251
1/17/03 7:45:24 PM
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Bummer.
Imric's Tips for Living- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Post #75,256
1/17/03 7:58:49 PM
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Good luck, man.
I'd tell ya to come to Seattle, but for three things:
1. There's no work here.
2. They're evicting people who live on their boats - seriously!
3. It's fucking COLD here...
Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
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Post #75,271
1/17/03 9:54:03 PM
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Cold? What are you smoking?
Look at the current weather forecasts for [link|http://www.weather.com/weather/local/10016?whatprefs=|NYC] and [link|http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USWA0395?lswe=Seattle%2C+WA&lswa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&whatprefs=|Seattle].
Right now it is 16 degrees in NYC, and 48 in Seattle. Seattle has no alerts, NYC has a local cold alert because with wind chill it is below 0.
Trade ya? :-)
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #75,281
1/17/03 10:18:06 PM
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That explains all the coffee
-drl
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Post #75,282
1/17/03 10:24:52 PM
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5F here.
Wind chill is -5F.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #75,290
1/17/03 10:40:21 PM
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You win so far in the midwest
+7 in Champaign Ill as of 9:00 PM CT.
...rare is the dollar of corporate profits that bears a tax burden heavier than the burden on an employee's wages.
[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/opinion/columns/kinsleymichael/|Michael Kinsley]
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Post #75,301
1/17/03 10:59:59 PM
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Remind me not to visit you...
At least not anywhere near winter...
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #75,317
1/17/03 11:37:01 PM
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Listen to them whine!
Oswego NY had a yardstick of snow.
-drl
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Post #75,338
1/18/03 1:27:20 AM
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Naw.
Cold RELATIVE to what he's looking for.
Besides, it's the humidity that gets ya here - when it gets humid and cold, it feels like it's freezing...
Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
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Post #75,359
1/18/03 8:35:48 AM
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I remember when I used to think...
that the Pacific Northwest felt cold when it was around freezing and humid.
Then I moved to NH. :-P
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #75,369
1/18/03 10:45:19 AM
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Don't think I ever felt colder than in Georgia,
waiting for a schoolbus when it was about 34 F, because it was so humid. Brr! It just sucks the heat out of you. It felt colder to me than when it was -20 F in Chicago (the air's very dry at that temperature). -20 F is rather neat because it freezes your nose hairs.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #75,642
1/20/03 11:07:14 AM
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I've been to D.C. in 0 degree weather...
...not including wind chill. Winds were 30-40mph out on the mall, and my wife and I were outside for about two hours in a line. Yeah, that's bloody cold - but for some reason, I can handle the dry cold. Humidity gets under your skin, behind your ears, in your socks, your undies, freezes like little icicles on your short 'n curlies.
/me shudders just thinking about what it gets like here at night these days...
Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
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Post #75,672
1/20/03 12:22:19 PM
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When was this?
Washington, DC is well south of NYC and quite a bit warmer. And it doesn't get anywhere near 0 F very bloody often here.
Unless you can give me independently verifiable details on when this was, I strongly suspect that you are misremembering here. And even if you aren't, I have to say that I can heartily say from direct experience that humid and around freezing doesn't bother me anything like 0 F and dry.
Also I can say from direct experience that one of the worst things about a dry cold is static electricity. Spend a full winter in NH and you will know what I mean.
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #75,675
1/20/03 12:32:26 PM
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About 2 years ago.
Christmas 2000, we went to visit my dad for about a week.
This last time we were there, the temperature was a much more reasonable 30 degrees or thereabouts. The windchill was still something vicious, but it was much more tolerable than last time.
It could just be me, though...
Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
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Post #75,683
1/20/03 12:57:24 PM
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Please find the day in question
Here is [link|http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KDCA/2000/12/25/DailyHistory.html|Christmas 2000] in Washington, DC and it seemed to be barely below freezing.
Please don't think that I am being a jerk. But I happened to be walking around in [link|http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KLEB/2000/12/25/DailyHistory.html|this] and I know that the Pacific Northwest didn't come within a mile of comparing to that. (Their site does not go back to 92/93, which was when I learned what -20 is like. Not a fun memory.)
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #75,697
1/20/03 1:45:01 PM
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Huh.
Can't find it. It's possible that what I'm thinking of is that with wind chill the temperature was down to 0 or thereabouts - but I do very specifically remember the TV talking about it being 0.
That's probably where I screwed up, trusting anything said on TV.
I'll agree that -20f would probably beat the holy crap out of anything that we experience over here. I'll also agree that it's quite possible that my personal opinion of humidity being the real killer is quite subjective, and open to interpretation.
And no, I don't think you're being a jerk. :)
Any deity worthy of a graven image can cobble up a working universe complete with fake fossils in under a week - hey, if you're not omnipotent, there's no real point in being a god. But to start with a big ball of elementary particles and end up with the duckbill platypus without constant twiddling requires a degree of subtlety and the ability to Think Things Through: exactly the qualities I'm looking for when I'm shopping for a Supreme Being.
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Post #75,720
1/20/03 3:10:57 PM
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I think your possibility is right
And my experience is that their figures of what it is like "with windchill" really mean, "with windchill and assuming you were an idiot while dressing." That doesn't at all (to me if I am dressed for it) feel like the raw temperature in question does...
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #75,705
1/20/03 2:19:54 PM
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He is misremembering. :-)
\nNOUS41 KLWX 071408\nPNSLWX\nDCZ001-MDZ002>007-009>011-013-014-016>018-VAZ021-025>031-036>042-\n050>057-WVZ048>055-080500-\n\nPUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT\nNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON\n905 AM EST SAT DEC 7 2002\n\n...RECORD COLD TEMPERATURES SET THIS MORNING...\n\nLONG STANDING LOW TEMPERATURE RECORDS WERE BROKEN THIS MORNING AS A \nFRESH SNOWPACK...CALM WINDS AND CLEAR SKIES ALLOWED TEMPERATURES TO \nPLUMMET AROUND 30 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL OVERNIGHT. \n\nAT BALTIMORE/WASHINGTON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT A 117 YEAR OLD RECORD \nLOW TEMPERATURE WAS BROKEN. AT 5:04 AM THE TEMPERATURE FELL TO 6 \nDEGREES. THIS EXCEEEDED THE PREVIOUS RECORD OF 15 DEGREES SET IN \n1885.\n\nAT DULLES INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AT 7:25 AM THE TEMPERATURE FELL TO 1 \nDEGREE ABOVE ZERO. THIS SMASHED THE PREVIOUS RECORD OF 18 DEGREES \nSET IN 1977. \n\nAT WASHINGTON REAGAN NATIONAL AIRPORT...THE RECORD LOW TEMPERATURE \nON THIS DATE IS 10 DEGREES WHICH WAS SET IN 1882. THANKS TO THE \nURBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT...THE LOW TEMPERATURE ONLY FELL TO 18 \nDEGREES. \n\n [link|http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:g4n6J2qR1wAC:www.srh.noaa.gov/data/wbc/pns/WBCPNSLWX.1.txt+%22record+low%22+temperature+%22washington+d.c.%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8|Dunno how long this link will last] since the page on the actual website is different now. HTH. :-) Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #75,709
1/20/03 2:32:25 PM
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Those aren't all-time December records though.
Those are just records for a particular day in December.
[link|http://www.intellicast.com/Almanac/MidAtlantic/December/|http://www.intellica...tlantic/December/] - Record December low in DC is -13 F (it doesn't say when though).
I've seen the Potomac frozen over, but not in the last couple of years. It's been pretty mild up recently, until this year. Brr.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #75,716
1/20/03 2:56:17 PM
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Yep, my bad.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #75,272
1/17/03 9:55:38 PM
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Good luck
I hope something will come through for you...
Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
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Post #75,295
1/17/03 10:46:26 PM
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That's got to suck. Good luck with the next job.
Heck, if it's warmth you want - come to Sydney. 36 degrees Celsius today. Sure enough, it's *very* warm outdoors...
John. Busy lad.
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Post #75,350
1/18/03 5:27:06 AM
8/21/07 6:22:26 AM
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I was under the impression that the gates to Oz are closed.
I've never been there, but I suspect its someplace I'd like to live.
I've been deterred by the relatively hostile sounding immigration policies I've seen. Need a sponsor or something.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
--Alan Perlis
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Post #75,571
1/19/03 6:59:46 PM
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Seems hostile is the order of the day here.
The PM's gone a bit berserk in his 'keep them damn foreigners out' policies of late. But hey, if you liked being locked up in a detention centre, if you like being addressed by a number not a name, if you like being deported and then billed for the time you were in detention... then yeah, come on down, you're more than welcome :/
John. Busy lad.
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Post #75,334
1/18/03 12:58:34 AM
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sorry to hear it
Have fun,
Carl Forde
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Post #75,370
1/18/03 10:47:44 AM
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Luck! Enjoy any time off you get.
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Post #75,434
1/18/03 4:54:30 PM
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Dude...that sucks!
As discussed, though, I guess you did see it coming.
I was hoping to have another shot at dinner with you guys in Paris...but I guess we'll just have to do round 2 in the states now...gives you a fighting chance of bringing wife and child to my home for Independence Day.
Nice choice of restaurant btw..please thank your friend that recommended it. I would have never found it and it was very good.
Luck to you!
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #75,444
1/18/03 6:25:55 PM
8/21/07 6:25:20 AM
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Yep, working on plan B
Hope your arteries recover.
Independence day sounds doable.
Later
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
--Alan Perlis
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Post #75,453
1/18/03 6:55:21 PM
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Arteries slowly returning to normal...
...and actually the fare wasn't as heavy as alot of french food can get.
BTW...did the babysitter have any hair left by the time you got back??? ;-)
And make sure the finger puppet is lost in the move!
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #75,489
1/19/03 7:32:55 AM
8/21/07 6:26:44 AM
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Babysitter survived
Youngster was happy until we walked in the door - then she suddenly realized something was wrong with her world and promptly melted down.
We haven't brought out the devils finger puppet since. Still wondering if it can be used as a motivational tool.
I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customer got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
--Alan Perlis
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Post #75,447
1/18/03 6:36:10 PM
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Now all we need to do...
...Is get John (Meerkat), Wade (Static), Peter (Pwhysall), Christian (CRConrad), dmarker (Doug Marker)...( andothers I am missing) to move to the US...
Then we could all meet in New Jooisey on the Saturday after July 4th and be merry...
BTW, if were you... I'd keep your beer/with with you when you leak... Right Ben?
| [link|mailto:curley95@attbi.com|greg] - Grand-Master Artist in IT | | [link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry/|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] [link|http://pascal.rockford.com:8888/SSK@kQMsmc74S0Tw3KHQiRQmDem0gAIPAgM/edcurry/1//|ED'S GHOST SPEAKS!] | Heimatland Geheime Staatspolizei reminds:
These [link|http://www.whitehouse.gov/pcipb/cyberstrategy-draft.html|Civilian General Orders], please memorize them.
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Post #75,451
1/18/03 6:52:40 PM
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The answer has always been
to keep your hand on your beer at all times.
This solves 2 issues.
None of the females can accuse you of anything...
...and "Admin" can't keep replacing 3/4 empties for fulls without you knowing ;-)
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #75,596
1/19/03 10:39:29 PM
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Aww shit
Sorry to hear that. Best of luck in the relocation back Stateside. :(
-YendorMike
[link|http://www.hope-ride.org/|http://www.hope-ride.org/]
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Post #75,604
1/20/03 12:30:53 AM
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Bummer
May be there myself, soon.
If you get back Denver way, give me a shout. Beer's on me.
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Steve
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Post #75,621
1/20/03 8:54:28 AM
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very sorry to hear :-(
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Post #75,644
1/20/03 11:13:11 AM
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Sorry to hear this...
Have a soft landing :)
--
We have only 2 things to worry about: That
things will never get back to normal, and that they already have.
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Post #75,827
1/21/03 1:32:27 AM
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Think in reverse
Our company makes software that manages job postings and applications for huge companies. Of course, nobody is hiring, they're firing and so they don't need to manage thousands of job applications per day....
Offer to help them create pink-slip and severence packages generating software. There should be big demand for that.
________________
oop.ismad.com
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Post #76,051
1/22/03 2:09:44 AM
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Not pleasant.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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