Post #58,114
10/21/02 7:52:08 PM
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Possible ossuary of Jesus' brother found
[link|http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/10/1021_021021_christianrelicbox.html|http://news.national...tianrelicbox.html]
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Post #58,123
10/21/02 7:58:28 PM
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ROFL that is sooo funny, Will the religious splain the joke?
Hint yeshua ben Joseph
thanx,
bill
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Post #58,199
10/22/02 2:48:17 AM
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There's a joke?
It is entirely consistent with my understanding of Scripture and of first-century history. I have no problems with James being (one of) Jesus' younger half-brother.
Wade.
P.S. *And* I know that the name "Jesus" is a corruption of the Jewish "Y'shua". :-)
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Post #58,221
10/22/02 9:04:18 AM
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It is not a corruption
Joke is that if Jesus is named on the box it is a fake.
"This name \ufffdJesus\ufffd commonly used in Christianity today did not exist and would not be spelled with the letter \ufffdJ\ufffd until about 500 years ago. This article will also discuss the grammatical errors involved in the transliteration of Yahshua into Greek and Latin, which radically changed the form of Yahshua\ufffds name."
[link|http://www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm|http://www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm]
oops if I had my brother ashes I would have used his real name not bill brother of leech
I have no problem with james and yeshua being brothers for after all Jesus was a Jewish boy that went into his fathers business,
thanx,
bill
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Post #58,258
10/22/02 10:36:50 AM
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Well, the box was translated from Aramaic
So the fact that an English news agency carried it as "Jesus" means nothing.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #58,268
10/22/02 10:54:49 AM
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it means either poor reporting or hoax be nice to know
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Post #58,288
10/22/02 11:13:27 AM
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Photo, Graphic of Aramaic Names
here:
[link|http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-jesus22oct22.story|http://www.latimes.c...esus22oct22.story]
-drl
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Post #58,294
10/22/02 11:19:14 AM
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That's a much better article.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #58,328
10/22/02 11:57:53 AM
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great article and pictures but one more problem
it would be like finding a tombstone here saying here lies bill son of bob brother of john. Not trying to debunk but placing the find into prospective.
thanx,
bill
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Post #58,357
10/22/02 12:25:29 PM
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That's the whole point of it, isn't it?
The fact that his brother was important enough to get billing on his tomb as well?
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #58,683
10/23/02 3:00:20 AM
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There's a story on K5 with more information.
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/10/22/133850/26|Ancient Inscription about Jesus found].
There's even [link|http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2002/10/22/133850/26/12#12|a post] with the Aramaic transliterated.
Wade.
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Post #58,167
10/21/02 10:42:35 PM
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Was James his older brother? I never can remember.
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Post #58,182
10/21/02 11:52:01 PM
10/21/02 11:54:15 PM
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By definition, no.
By definition, the Virgin Mary's first child *had* to be Jesus.
Unless you engage in some really remarkable theological mind-spinning.
In which case the virgin birth goes out the window, all Catholicism has to be scrapped (I suppose there may be some sects that might accept it...)
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Edited by wharris2
Oct. 21, 2002, 11:54:15 PM EDT
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Post #58,222
10/22/02 9:05:02 AM
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how many wives did Joseph have?
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Post #58,442
10/22/02 2:58:18 PM
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Unknown but since he doesnt stick around..?
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Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
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Post #58,576
10/22/02 7:38:22 PM
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Multiple wives?
I don't suppose the Jewish faith prohibits multiple wives (we have the example of one of their heros, David) but the Biblical accounts don't say Joseph had any other wives before Mary.
Not that I trust those accounts on much of anything. IMO, anything written thirty years after the death of a martyr by people promoting the faith must be called into question. And of course they would all portray Joseph, the father, as a guy who was pure as the driven snow. Joseph might have been a mighty philanderer so far as we know.
(And, as far as we know, the "virgin birth" may very well have been due to some... shall we say... playing around between Joseph and Mary. If Clinton didn't know what "is" or "sex" meant, sure as hell Mary and Joseph didn't.)
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Post #58,637
10/22/02 10:48:18 PM
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widower? He is portayed as older
My baby boy said the senior, just because there is snow on the roof doensnt mean the furnace is out. Bystander mutters must have been a lot of soot in that chimney
thanx,
bill
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Post #59,431
10/25/02 1:04:52 PM
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So why didn't they?
IMO, anything written thirty years after the death of a martyr by people promoting the faith must be called into question. Absolutely right. Somebody must have found out the "real truth" when it was written. Someone involved musta blabbed. So where's the document(s) exposing all this?
Many fears are born of stupidity and ignorance -
Which you should be feeding with rumour and generalisation.
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Post #61,969
11/9/02 12:18:59 PM
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Re: Was James his older brother? I never can remember.
Traditional it is viewed that Jesus was the first child of Mary.
However there is a debate on whether or not the "brothers" of Jesus were full or half brothers. He also had a sister.
There is speculation that Josephus had the children other than Jesus by a different wife. This would allow the Catholics to keep the Virgin aspect fully till Mary's death. There is cultural and archeological evidence to support both views.
-jms
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Post #64,703
11/24/02 4:09:04 AM
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Step-Brothers
Joseph apparently had them from a previous marriage before he married Mary. Or so I am told.
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