That is precisely why we did it.

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Post #47,417 by mmoffitt 7/29/02 9:40:11 PM Reply	That is precisely why we did it. Using nukes had nothing at all to do with "saving lives" Japanese or American. We used nuclear arms on cities to send the Russians a message: "Don't expand eastward and stop where you are in Europe." Anyone claiming that we used nukes against civilians for any other purpose is completely ill-informed. And that, Ashton, does make us ethically, morally challenged.
Post #47,436 by Ashton 7/30/02 1:21:22 AM Reply	Well it is a major factor; not the single one. I'm aware of the threat of Russian entre into Japan. Maybe that alone could have been sufficient a reason, given the general madness in all players.. after 4 years (for US) to 6 years for Europeans. But the invasion loss prospect was stark also - and that underscored even more the exhaustion: moving battle-weary Euro. troops to Pacific? So I deem - we cannot today separate-out any One causality of the decision; humans made it and all human decisions are forever Iffy. (Only in 'debates' do we imagine that logic has much to do with those.) Ashton
Post #47,842 by Arkadiy 8/2/02 10:56:41 AM Reply	Sending Russians a message might have been a worthwile thing too. Millions would have been lost in invading Japan. Tens of millions would have been lost in a war between Russia and Allies.Or would you rather cede more countries to Russia? Greece was a prime candidate. How about Iran? Not sure if Turkey was in the plans too.And in all those places, Stalin would have been killing by millions (oh, that word again! "One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." I. V. Stalin).
Post #47,987 by mmoffitt 8/3/02 8:57:39 PM Reply	Interesting thought. Would it be better to have Bolsheviks run Iran or Mullahs? Your point is well taken about the other countries though ;-)

10 Things All Muricans should know about Islam. - (mmoffitt) - (25) - July 26, 2002, 07:02:17 AM EDT

Excellent! Bookmarked. Thanks, Mike. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - July 26, 2002, 08:12:11 AM EDT

take a couple of issues - (boxley) - (3) - July 26, 2002, 09:05:31 AM EDT

Well, he does say the following: - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - July 26, 2002, 10:54:43 AM EDT

why do you think we call them cousins - (boxley) - July 26, 2002, 11:04:42 AM EDT

Mixing religion and politics. - (Brandioch) - July 26, 2002, 12:44:37 PM EDT

Re: 10 Things All Muricans should know about Islam. - (Arkadiy) - (15) - July 26, 2002, 10:29:35 AM EDT

Re: how bad is USA - (mmoffitt) - (14) - July 28, 2002, 09:32:37 AM EDT

USSR was not in a shooting war with China - (Arkadiy) - (3) - July 28, 2002, 12:05:28 PM EDT

Doesn't mean nukes weren't under consideration. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - July 30, 2002, 05:25:00 PM EDT

My point is, US had more reasons to use nukes. -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2002, 10:45:06 AM EDT

My problem with that is... - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 3, 2002, 08:59:36 PM EDT

Re: how bad is USA?____ Not *that* bad.. - (Ashton) - (3) - July 28, 2002, 04:05:46 PM EDT

It was a war crime. - (Brandioch) - (2) - July 29, 2002, 02:09:51 PM EDT

Yes it was, though most nations have become - (Ashton) - (1) - July 29, 2002, 04:37:34 PM EDT

And the threat. Don't forget the threat. - (mmoffitt) - July 29, 2002, 09:36:17 PM EDT

One viewpoint (out of millions) from Japan. - (inthane-chan) - (5) - July 29, 2002, 11:20:44 AM EDT

I've heard this viewpoint expressed also. - (Ashton) - July 29, 2002, 04:52:32 PM EDT

That is precisely why we did it. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - July 29, 2002, 09:40:11 PM EDT

Well it is a major factor; not the single one. - (Ashton) - July 30, 2002, 01:21:22 AM EDT

Sending Russians a message might have been - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Aug. 2, 2002, 10:56:41 AM EDT

Interesting thought. - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 3, 2002, 08:57:39 PM EDT

Seems to be a lot of morons in the world.... - (ChrisR) - (1) - July 26, 2002, 11:35:10 AM EDT

However nice the theory is . . - (Andrew Grygus) - July 26, 2002, 01:35:40 PM EDT

LRPD: History shows again and again how Nature points out - (Ashton) - (1) - July 27, 2002, 02:17:22 AM EDT

Re: LRPD: History shows again and again... - (jb4) - July 27, 2002, 12:48:50 PM EDT

Kilroy was here.
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