And Pigs fly every other Tuesday.

Post #46,440 by mmoffitt 7/22/02 8:23:03 PM Reply	And Pigs fly every other Tuesday. Think he'd have gotten into the Ivy Leagues schools if he had a different last name and family? Let's let him speak for himself about his intellectual prowess.... "To the C students, I say, 'You too can be president of the United States.'" President Bush Yale University's 300th commencement Your statement reminds me of his campaign's weak attempt at defending his Idiotness, "He's not stupid, he's intellectually lazy." Geez!
Post #46,624 by Ashton 7/23/02 9:25:17 PM Reply	Important difference.. Being an Idiot IS an excuse: to miss a lot of the stuff we naturally presume that - everyone sorta groks. (And.. electing an actual Idiot to the White House - would be about Us, not about Him/Her.) Claiming 'intellectual laziness' overtly! implies a need to grasp at any last straw to weasel out of being Noticed as being: a carefully nurtured Predator, who merely speaks poorly.. as reflects his mediocre mind. That still is not, 'Being an Idiot'. It is much worse IMhO. (As well as being 2nd-degree Language murder ;-) Ashton
Post #46,639 by mmoffitt 7/23/02 11:35:03 PM Reply	If the President were truly elected, I'd be happy. I think Shrub's popularity with the common man is precisely because he seems so dim-witted that the "average Murican" can identify with him. And, as above, I think that the "average Murican" says to himself, "I shore dew lak that G. Dubya. Why, he sounds jus' lak me." Then the economy tanks, a building falls down, the Bill of Rights gets slaughtered and the "average Murican" says secretly to himself (perhaps subconsciously) "But, maybe that ain't a good thang that the Prezeedent ain't got no mo' on the ball than I does."
Post #46,643 by orion 7/23/02 11:42:24 PM Reply	There are no free elections besides most citizens do not vote anyway. The electorial college chooses the president anyway, not the voters. The voters just give the electorial college the power to pick the president. Quit thinking that this is a true democracy and a true free country because it isn't. What it is would be more of a republic or plutocracy or combination of the two. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #46,645 by mmoffitt 7/23/02 11:55:49 PM Reply	Heh. For at least the past 20 years I've been saying that we are "a somewhat democratic plutocracy." First time I said that was an undergraduate history class. The prof was comparing different countries forms of government, referred to us as a democracy, noticed I was shaking my head violently "no" and asked me, "We're not a democracy? Then what are we?" My reply was the same as above. He thought about it a few seconds, starting nodding and said, "Yeah, ... okay, I'll buy that." It was 1983 or 1984. ;0)
Post #46,813 by jb4 7/25/02 10:09:30 AM Reply	A "plubic"? jb4 "I remember Harry S. Truman's sign on his desk. 'The buck stops here.' Strange how those words, while still true, mean something completely different today." -- Brandioch
Post #46,710 by screamer 7/24/02 11:24:24 AM Reply	What's amazing to me... is that I felt the exact same way you just described about Reagan and Clinton. That the American public was too dumb to elect presidents. That they want to hire two bit actors (trained monkeys?) to "play" president and tell them whatever they want to hear. In my lifetime, Carter and Bush senior, two highly intelligent men - men with integrity, were one termers... Two "talkers", all flash and no substance, mental "giants" - Reagan and Clinton got 2 terms each. Then there was Nixon, a one and a half termer who was highly intelligent but... integrity??? Hmmm... You best be careful if you want GW out in 2 instead of 6, you better start making him out to be an egghead or a competent man. If you make him out to be a buffoon, he'll be a two termer. Just a few thoughts, Screamer As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all J. Lennon - Working Class Hero
Post #46,854 by mmoffitt 7/25/02 2:17:43 PM Reply	Clinton ~= Reagan??? Um, I think NOT! Clinton was anything but "of average intellect". He is a smart man.
Post #46,977 by wharris2 7/26/02 3:54:14 AM Reply	You give Reagan less credit than due, I think At least Reagan had his ideas of what the country should be, and was willing to override his advisors (Grenada) when he thought it necessary. He delivered what he believed, and even if you disagree with what he did, you gotta admit he thought he was doing the right thing (without sticking his finger in the air and watching the way the wind was blowing.) Bush #1, Clinton, Bush #2 - they all seem infected by "advisoritis", those who tell them what people want them to do, not what they think they should do. The lawyers would mostly rather be what they are than get out of the way even if the cost was Hammerfall. - Jerry Pournelle
Post #46,992 by mmoffitt 7/26/02 7:13:17 AM Reply	<ROFL> Re: "doing the right thing" Like trading arms for hostages, like the innumerable lies and distortions he told about "welfare moms, actually naming people who could work who were collecting disability" - (the same who later showed up in wheelchairs with O2 tanks asking the White House where it was, exactly, that they were supposed to be working?), the never-to-be-completely-resolved "October Surprise", changing school lunch policy to count catsup as a vegetable, the illegal minings of the harbor of Nicaragua - a nation we had diplomatic relations with at the time - further instilling trust among our allies, the funding of Salvadoran Death Squads, flipping the tax code on its head insuring the most rapid polarization of wealth the nation has seen, "The missles launch in five minutes", the general philosophy of "Greed is not enough", etc. Not to mention his simultaneously destroying not one, but two superpowers by spending them out of existence. The "Right Thing", uh-huh. Sure.
Post #47,086 by Ashton 7/26/02 5:26:28 PM Reply	Yabut.. he had what Counts in Murica: a toothy smile, a facility for memorizing B-movie dialogue, a bottomless stock of meandering homilies and above all-else, that wonderful litmus for every ____ [fill in fav synonym] The Courage of His Convictions\ufffd (Never 'Mind'.. the rich assortment of folks who can be put on that same list. Murican politics ain't about 'mind' it's about feelings.. - even before Barbra set it to music) No doubt there are actual Shrines to Ronnie, in 20,000 sq. ft. houses and boardrooms.. all over the country. {sniff} Ashton all the world's a stage and all the -

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