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New Samsung Galaxy a32 5G
I had to get a single purpose device phone. Simple as that. I have to run one application. It will never be on a Wi-Fi network. I'll trust the cell tower (not like I have a choice) but not the random Wi-Fi.

I will do nothing with that phone other than run that one application. There will be no web surfing on that phone. Maybe I'll make a phone call occasionally for security checks. That's it.

My current phone is probably hacked. Or the application that wants to run that won't run in my current phone is misreading the world. Either way I'm not taking a chance.

I'll be wiping and resetting soon enough. Hopefully it's enough. If not it will be replaced.

Got a piece of s*** phone. It was free on M's plan. Really free, not pay off in 24 months free. She's had that plan a very long time. But it's still a piece of s***.

It was the only phone they had in stock and pushed upon us. There were many choices on the plan that I would much rather had but it didn't matter. I had to get it today. I'm not waiting for non guaranteed shipping. Galaxy a32 5G. Do not get this phone.

Even after I read the bad reviews about it being a bit laggy for a phone in 2021 I thought my phone was 4 years old and I love it. It's a pixel. Whatever the lowest entry level one was at the time. And it's great. My next phone will be the next whatever pixel.

The lag on this is incredible and the interface is off the wall archaic. I've watched the evolution of Android based on my experience with multiple non Google phones and then finally the Pixel and I realized that you're always getting the greatest s*** on the Pixel and whatever the other guys put in it just annoys you because it simply makes it different than the default Android interface which I like. Also they had all kinds of side utilities to try to sell you s***.

This phone's fingerprint scanner is on the middle right side. Exactly where my finger rests by default. Every time I look at this phone after it's been anywhere near my hand the screen reads that I've tried to log in with my thumb too many times and put the password in now. I was just holding it.

I was supposed to get a local number. They gave me a number from Vancouver South Dakota. I just called myself and found that out. What the f***? So I will get a different number, they will change my number.

So anyway, stay away from this phone. It sucks.
Expand Edited by crazy Jan. 27, 2022, 10:09:45 PM EST
New Jo has the "S" version of this phone
With the in-display fingerprint scanner.

She loves it. It's fast and smooth and has a not-shit camera.

https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a52s_5g-review-2323.php
New I believe more expensive and not on the plan that I was allowed then it wouldn't have mattered
They didn't have anything else in stock.

I've had three Samsungs so far.

I've been very happy with all of them. I am only complaining about this specific phone.
New "on the plan that I was allowed"
For a place that always makes so much noise about being "The Land Of The Free" and how it's all about "The Free Market", the US telecoms market sure has some weird Soviet-style vibes. WTF does the network subscription have to do with the device? In free countries, those are separate markets.
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   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
Expand Edited by CRConrad Feb. 1, 2022, 07:29:52 AM EST
New Part of an accepted contract.
We are free to engage in open commerce with each party being free to assign responsibilities to themselves as part of a contract.

As a long-term customer of a particular company my wife gets a free phone every x years rather than has to pay for or put on a payoff plan. It's usually a reasonable free phone. Not top of the line, not crap, with choices.

If I was willing to wait 3 days I would have had any of my choices from the list, several of which were very nice. It didn't matter. I needed it then and I decided as a single purpose device it wasn't worth paying any upgrade fee on the phone itself, so I took the phone they had in stock. The one and only out of the list.

So it works perfectly fine for my purpose. I'm just giving a heads up that if anybody actually wanted to use it as a phone it's probably not the best idea.
New Yeah, but still: The fact that you have to accept such contracts.
To the extent that you take it for granted, as "just the normal way of doing business". ("You" as in Yanks in general, not just you you.)

Rather like not being able to buy a PC without paying a "Microsoft Tax". (Which AFAIk is still a fact of life, except for some [very] few model lines available with another OS, or without one.)

Monopolies, oligopolies, and other near-monopolies fuck up markets almost as good as the Soviets ever did.
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   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
New That's b*******.
Phones are advanced computers at this point. They are complex multifunction devices that are amazing for size and cost.

Anything in the 3 to $500 range is typically a reasonable device. Except for what I took that day. But that's okay. I made my choice.

They get fancy and expensive. At the $600 range they become amazing. At the $1,000 range it's beyond Star Trek. People buy them on contract because they don't want to lay down a thousand bucks. So the cell company finances it. Whoopie doo.

If you just want to buy one you can. People do it all the time. And then they drop a sim in it and attach to a given cell company. No big deal either.

These are choices. Either are reasonable depending on the situation.
New Ah, good. That's just not the picture you get from the outside.
Not living (or ever having been to) the US, I only see it from the outside, via the Internet. The impression I got was that buying a phone "off-contract" (is that what it's called?) and then getting a contract for it was nigh-impossible, if not technically then because they make "no-device" contracts so expensive that it's economically ultra-irrational. If it ain't so, then that's good. (Though I still suspect the big providers are ddoing their best to push things in that direction?)
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   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
New I buy my own device, then get service from somebody else.
Much cheaper that way IMO, and gives me flexibility to leave when I want. Currently using Mint Mobile (https://www.mintmobile.com/) which works pretty well for me and is cheap to boot.
Ceterum autem censeo pars Republican esse delendam.
New A guy who worked at one of the biggest phone and Internet providers in Finland (actually...
...actually my erstwhile phone and current Internet provider) -- they were our customer at my previous job, and he was our liasion for DW stuff -- once told me that of course he was subscribed to his employer's phone network, but whenever he needed a new device for himself or his family, he went to the competitors' websites and bought it from one of them. AIUI, so there would be no possibility of getting cught in a "bundle" deal. (Then he went and died -- he was just a few years older than me, and this was just a few years ago, so at pretty much the age I am now, I think -- and a while later I stopped working there. So, yeah... And yes, "a few years ago", so not from Covid-19.)

I knew (or assumed) you could do stuff like that in the US too, but I'd got the impression it was much harder and rarer there than it seems from you guys.
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   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
New This would be a reasonable opinion a few years back.
In the early days the cell companies would lock a phone to their network. And they would cause major hassles to people when they wanted to move networks because a person would have to get a new phone and a new phone number.

Then it became law that they had to provide portable phone numbers so you take your phone number with you no matter where you go. All the sudden there were companies saying come to us and bring your phone.

So we have decent competition in that arena since we just carry our number with us wherever we go and the phone companies now fight for us. They don't care if you bring sure own phone. The signals were standardized years ago.
New Not quite there yet
If Verizon handed you a phone that only does CDMA, you still can't take it to ATT. And the other way around with a GSM only device. The upper end models can handle both systems these days, but the low end phones may not.

It may work better with the secondary carriers if they have contracts with Verizon and ATT/T-Mobile.
New I stopped thinking about that years ago
There is a certain entry level phone that is simply a requirement to play the game. If someone wants to buy a disposable phone that's their decision.

Sure they still sell locked in flip phones or entry-level second-tier devices. But the next tier up is only $100.
New You know that smart phones using Android are less safe than iPhones.
Not that Apple couldn't do better in their testing before releasing their iPhone code.
Alex

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

-- Isaac Asimov
New Yes I'm aware
I will trade levels of comfort for levels of safety with awareness.

I hate touching M's phone. I recoil in horror every time I have to try to do anything to help her. I hate the interface.

My first smartphone / PDA was a Treo. I've had multiple black berries. With and without the trackball and the keyboard and the scroll wheel. All the way up to the pretty fancy flat screen right before they tanked.

Simultaneously I had multiple iPhones. I was very comfortable with the midlife iPhone interface. Had them for years.

Then I started down the Android path. And as I said I watched them evolve and had my hands in the other guys simultaneously.

I know what I like and I'm sticking to it and I am not going to fall into an interface that makes me question every button I push. Every swipe I make. I recoil in horror.
New "I'll trust the cell tower (not like I have a choice) but not the random Wi-Fi."
Can't you set it to connect only to your own Wifi (which is hopefully less "random")? Or do you need to run this app while out and about? (Sounded somehow like a home automation app or something.)
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   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
New I don't trust my own network
It's been years since I set up an open BSD box and filtered and watched everything. Those days are over.

My home network is whatever crap the internet provider provided. So no. Cell tower. Internet over that and I am fine.

And yes I need it when I'm out and about occasionally.
New Can't see anything particularly bad about that.
If gamers want their games prioritized, how the fuck else is that going to happen than by de-prioritizing everything but their games? It's a matter of allocating the finite processor capacity the device has. You can't accelerate the games to run at more than 100%, so you have to do it by putting everyhting else at less.

It's pretty inexcusable to throttle your own home screen, app store, browser, and other core 2D apps.
A) Sez who?
B) If you care mainly about games, then by definition you care less about those.
C) As long as you're playing some game, you're by definition not using those, so why the fuck would you care?
D) Those are the stuff that's most likely to be running besides your game, the low-hanging fruit. If they're not throttling those, then your game isn't going to be very prioritized.

If there is anything you want to be fast, it's the core phone interface.
A) Not while you're gaming and want that prioritized.
B) Phone processors are plenty fast nowadays, so your interface running ten percent slower on your new phone that's twenty percent faster than last year's is still faster than you need a static fucking home screen to be.
C) So fucking shut off "game optimization" after you're done playing your fucking game. D'oh!
D) (OK, it could perhaps do that automagically. Dunno why they don't do that.)

Right now, it looks like the only apps that get full power are the benchmark apps.
Yeah, stands to reason: The apps the world has decided to benchmark are apparently the apps the world cares about the perfomance of. How else are they supposed to know which apps to optimize for?

:: I really don't think that's anywhere near "a good reason to avoid Samsung phones across the board". If anything, it's a reason not to use "game optimization" unless you're a huge gamer dweeb, in which case it seems to do exactly what you're asking for.
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   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
New Ack. Spit. Need a shower. CRC is 100% right
Can’t believe you made me say that, CRC!
New The only mystery is why you don't realise that more often. As in, all the time.
New Unless you have more information than me, you are merely mistaken and he is not right
I have no option on my phone to turn this off. If it exists at all. They talk about it being a service and I don't see any switches that allow me to get rid of it. If it is here at all. That article certainly never mentioned anything about the ability to turn it off.
New Can you not delete the game app?
Then re-install the app when needed.
Alex

"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

-- Isaac Asimov
New No game apps here
The point of the article was that they are ramping down pretty much everything except for their identified benchmark apps. Benchmark apps are part of games. So if a game benchmark runs fast the phone looks good. But they also want to keep the battery usage down. So they're constantly choking down everything except what would make them look good on a comparison chart.

Doesn't matter to me. I use that phone for a single app and I don't give a s***. At least not much of a s***. Enough to be annoyed every time I pick it up. But I only pick it up once a week for about 5 minutes so it shouldn't really matter.
New Nerfing the desktop is stupid
Even if it helps the benchmarks run faster, a laggy UI is going to be noticable and will show up on every review.
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Drew
New Questions
I don't see anywhere in the article, is the Game Optimizing Service something that you have the option to disable?

According to the article, it's not "the apps the world cares about the performance of" that get full speed, it's the benchmarking apps themselves. Even if this scheme is otherwise reasonable, throttling everything except the benchmark apps is at least a little questionable.
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Drew
New Yup, seems I misread that last bit because I'd skimmed the rest a little too fast.
At least judging from the comments on that article and a couple of other articles linked from there. What irks me the most is that as a stickler for precise language, I managed to misinterprete "benchmark apps" as "apps included in a benchmark" in stead of what it plainly says, actual benchmark apps.

Yeah, OK, now it's quite a bit scummier.

I still can't be bothered to give all that much of a fuck, though. So this years phone isn't actually twenty percent faster than last years, only ten -- or maybe even only five -- but Samsung tried to make it look like theirs is, but everyone else's only ten.

A) Who gives a fuck? Phones are for surfing the Web nowadays. If a page loads in less than a minute and stays visible on the screen after that, that's enough.

B) "But my GAAAAMES!"? Buy a fucking XBox. Or PC or PS5, fuckdoiknow which is best. Fuckdoicare.

C) These are the same stupid shenanigans we've seen since the PC was born, or probably even before. You'd have to be born yesterday not to fucking expect it.

:: Ever tried using your phone as a, you know, PHONE? A 2011 Galaxy S2 works fine for that, and hey, it even lets you browse the Web.
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   Christian R. Conrad
The Man Who Apparently Still Knows Fucking Everything


Mail: Same username as at the top left of this post, at iki.fi
New I can easily tell the difference
And it's far far slower than the phone I had from 3 years ago. And I bought the bargain basement pixel of the time frame.

So I disagree with your attitude that my expectations are too high. My expectations were set from something from years ago. And it doesn't come close to them.

And I don't play games with it.
New 18 seconds
That's how long it takes me to hum the theme of Jeopardy including the final two bump bump. That is an absolute worst case scenario of how long something should take to come back.

Websites should load within about 2 seconds but I'll give them 18 seconds. Then I will abandon them.

When I coded interactive systems, two breaths was all I would allow for a result to return before figuring out how to do it faster or throw it into the background. I always targeted before someone lifted their hand off the enter key.

When I was doing that I was splitting a single 386 chip between 30 people with 16 megabytes of memory. It was running their full screen interface as well as everything else in the database. Everyone was running Oracle queries constantly simultaneously as well as updating the shared database. Everyone was typing into and the editorial interface running on that chip. The devices we hold in our hands are a hundred times more powerful. Non network local stuff should not lag in the slightest. Websites will lag depending on how stupid the people on the back end are combined with bad network connections and latency.

You said 60 seconds? I don't believe you. I think you get annoyed and frustrated after 20, possibly less. Start counting as you wait for web pages and get back to me. What's your real number?
New And then I remembered what this spiel reminded me of
Violins on television. Thank you, Emily.
     Samsung Galaxy a32 5G - (crazy) - (29)
         Jo has the "S" version of this phone - (pwhysall) - (11)
             I believe more expensive and not on the plan that I was allowed then it wouldn't have mattered - (crazy) - (10)
                 "on the plan that I was allowed" - (CRConrad) - (9)
                     Part of an accepted contract. - (crazy) - (8)
                         Yeah, but still: The fact that you have to accept such contracts. - (CRConrad) - (7)
                             That's b*******. - (crazy) - (6)
                                 Ah, good. That's just not the picture you get from the outside. - (CRConrad) - (5)
                                     I buy my own device, then get service from somebody else. - (InThane) - (4)
                                         A guy who worked at one of the biggest phone and Internet providers in Finland (actually... - (CRConrad) - (3)
                                             This would be a reasonable opinion a few years back. - (crazy) - (2)
                                                 Not quite there yet - (scoenye) - (1)
                                                     I stopped thinking about that years ago - (crazy)
         You know that smart phones using Android are less safe than iPhones. - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
             Yes I'm aware - (crazy)
         "I'll trust the cell tower (not like I have a choice) but not the random Wi-Fi." - (CRConrad) - (1)
             I don't trust my own network - (crazy)
         And here's a good reason to avoid Samsung phones across the board - (crazy) - (12)
             Can't see anything particularly bad about that. - (CRConrad) - (11)
                 Ack. Spit. Need a shower. CRC is 100% right - (pwhysall) - (5)
                     The only mystery is why you don't realise that more often. As in, all the time. -NT - (CRConrad)
                     Unless you have more information than me, you are merely mistaken and he is not right - (crazy) - (3)
                         Can you not delete the game app? - (a6l6e6x) - (2)
                             No game apps here - (crazy) - (1)
                                 Nerfing the desktop is stupid - (drook)
                 Questions - (drook) - (3)
                     Yup, seems I misread that last bit because I'd skimmed the rest a little too fast. - (CRConrad) - (2)
                         I can easily tell the difference - (crazy)
                         18 seconds - (crazy)
                 And then I remembered what this spiel reminded me of - (crazy)

I learned much knowledge from this post.
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