Post #427,007
1/3/19 1:44:50 PM
1/3/19 1:44:50 PM
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Paying for the bits for advertisements. Thoughts?
Back 15 or 20 years ago, ISTR a legal precedent for allowing home owners the right to bill telemarketers for using their equipment (their home phones) to market the telemarketing firms' products. I don't remember all the details and haven't looked it up. But it got me to thinking.
Twenty years ago when we signed up for broadband it was truly unlimited download. Then a few years ago we were informed that "Unlimited" was now defined as 250G/month. After that, $10 per 50G until the month recycled. The past five years or so we've gotten 100% of our television content via streaming (Netflix, Prime, ESPN+, B/R, NBC Gold, etc.) So, I'm in the position of paying for the delivery of content to at least two different entities: my ISP and the content provider. As such, it really pisses me off to be streaming a game or show and have to sit through 1-6 advertisements. I am quite literally paying my share to support the infrastructure as well as the actual delivery of every bit transmitted by a third party I have absolutely no agreement with concerning their use of my broadband, router and home LAN to advertise their products.
Do you guys think that given the precedent of the telemarketing cases, a case would likely prevail to be allowed to charge Verizon, Nissan, Chevrolet, etc. for the use of my home network to stream their ads? bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #427,008
1/3/19 2:36:14 PM
1/3/19 2:36:14 PM
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You click you choose
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Post #427,009
1/3/19 3:40:00 PM
1/3/19 3:40:00 PM
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How is that not exactly like the telemarketing cases?
You don't work for one of the advertisers, do you? bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #427,016
1/4/19 8:40:45 AM
1/4/19 8:40:45 AM
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Ahh, attacking the messenger
You have made a deal with both the carrier and provider of entertainment, info, etc.
You clicked on the provider and asked it to provide something. You didn't say, gimme x without what I don't want. If you did, they'd say NO.
As opposed to the telemarketers who tracked you down and called without invite.
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Post #427,018
1/4/19 9:49:15 AM
1/4/19 9:49:15 AM
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Nice try.
Here's a sample user agreement: https://www.nbcsports.com/gold/terms-serviceThere are three places where the word "advertisement" appears. In each of those places, the agreement says I cannot alter, modify, enhance, remove or interfere with any advertisement delivered with the content. Nowhere in the User Agreement does it state that advertisements will be delivered with the content. Only that if it is, I cannot interfere with it. Nor is any mention made that third parties will be allowed to stream advertisements. You *might* argue that such is implied, but that's in the eye of the beholder. That being the case, I suspect judges are no more reasonable than you are, so I probably wouldn't prevail in any case. bcnu,
Mikem
It's mourning in America again.
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Post #427,019
1/4/19 10:56:23 AM
1/4/19 10:56:23 AM
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Heh.
If what you were advocating were as easy as all that, it would have been done already. Of course.
If you don't want ads, don't sign up for the "content". That's the only way to avoid them these days, unfortunately. They're certainly never going to pay you (the masses) for the privilege of receiving ads on the hardware you pay for.
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #427,029
1/4/19 5:10:46 PM
1/4/19 5:10:46 PM
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As AS says, "heh"
I suggest that when the thought pattern goes: the judges will agree with you, you're done
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Post #427,033
1/4/19 11:20:22 PM
1/4/19 11:20:22 PM
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in a 'free society' all self-governing and other cha. cha. cha.
(And given modern 'society' of mind-fucking technology undreamt-of by previous Robber Barons)
One + Many Could: create New Rules Which face head-on the omnipresence of mind-numbing pitches 24/7 (??)
But then.. This society cannot even rid itself of a certifiable-moron, busily/daily in removing as many facets of self-governance as once made the place at least 'livable' within its many flaws.
So you both may be "right": just passively ... Give Up; its a lot less trouble.
(I'm biased on this particular topic though:)
screw all the bread & circuses intended as mass distractions and designed mainly to create high incomes for the Distractor-class. The topic is decidedly oxy-moronish where so little matter is made of there even someday becoming.. a 'society' ... just perpetual internecine warfare amidst intransigent Tribes-of-strangers (themselves!) ... is ~all I ever see inside this Depublic.
Carrion.
E Pluribus Unum ..?.. my. ass. Y'know?
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Post #427,035
1/5/19 3:32:49 AM
1/5/19 3:32:49 AM
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There are services that explicitly sell ad-free content.
Spotify comes to mind, as does Youtube.
Wade.
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Post #427,039
1/5/19 3:51:02 PM
1/5/19 3:51:02 PM
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Yep.. WE Pay ... one more time. "Here's $5; DON'T poke-me-with-that stick", Pleeeze™®©
or ... Here's my last 5 C-notes: DON'T poke me with that Orange Menace's Voice ..even ONE more time. Deal??
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. (if enough ..pay off his Putin-debt?)
Has our species been terminally-Nutzo since ... well before any of us were tykes?
Yet nobody *whispered that to us ... in all those class-rooms !? So ..it's a Conspiracy.
Good to Know.
*OK in these parts, Philip Wylie began re 'Momism'; went on to 'The Disappearance' re the Then-Dis-US, wayback.
(But I was ~15 before he was whispered into these shell-likes); would have been mucho better at, say 11 :-/
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