I hate construction

Post #418,344 by drook 5/27/17 10:50:51 PM 5/27/17 10:50:51 PM Reply	I hate construction Door knobs have been standard for decades, right? So I can buy a new set and replace the old ones with just a screwdriver right? Fuck you, Schlage. The holes for the deadbolts are about 1/8" too small, so that took about a half-hour per door with a chisel to make them fit. Then the screws for the knobs are all hidden behind covers with no visible way to get them off, and don't want to come off even when you find the hidden slot. Then finally get the front door handle cover off, and find out it's got a fucking oval hole, with the knob set below the latch. Looking online they discontinued it back in the 90s and no one makes something that fucking stupid any more. Patching the door "the right way" would only take an hour or so ... and a router ... and a table saw ... and a planer ... and an orbital sander ... fuck you "This Old House". -- Drew
Post #418,349 by static 5/28/17 4:56:20 AM 5/28/17 4:56:20 AM Reply	Might be easier to just buy a new door. Rather than patching the existing one. Bit of a waste of wood, though... Wade.
Post #418,351 by drook 5/28/17 7:43:35 AM 5/28/17 7:43:35 AM Reply	I'd give good odds it's not a (current) standard size -- Drew
Post #418,353 by malraux 5/28/17 10:37:45 AM 5/28/17 10:37:45 AM Reply	Nothing in this house is standard either. We've been slowly replacing all the non-standard 50yo crap for years now. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #418,354 by drook 5/28/17 10:46:09 AM 5/28/17 10:46:09 AM Reply	Hardware I can do, but not a whole door -- Drew
Post #418,360 by malraux 5/28/17 7:48:34 PM 5/28/17 7:48:51 PM Reply	Yeah, I did one of those once. The door into the garage was leaking cold air. The opening was non-standard and I spent a lot of time making it taller just so the damned door would fit. After that I decided to just pay the man. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson. Edited by malraux May 28, 2017, 07:48:51 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #418,361 by drook 5/28/17 8:44:24 PM 5/28/17 8:44:24 PM Reply	Like with the plumbing, right? -- Drew
Post #418,362 by malraux 5/28/17 8:55:21 PM 5/28/17 8:55:21 PM Reply	Some plumbing I'm ok with but generally yes. I wish I'd known the "piece of bread in the pipe" trick before the last time I sweated copper though. Electrical I'll do myself unless it touches the box. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #418,350 by static 5/28/17 4:56:21 AM 5/28/17 4:56:21 AM Reply	Might be easier to just buy a new door. Rather than patching the existing one. Bit of a waste of wood, though... Wade.
Post #418,355 by a6l6e6x 5/28/17 10:47:37 AM 5/28/17 10:47:37 AM Reply	Did you change manufacturer from old hardware? They should at least stay consistent with their own stuff. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #418,358 by drook 5/28/17 2:22:27 PM 5/28/17 2:22:27 PM Reply	Nope, discontinued years ago It was a stupid design. Besides being nonstandard, it was a bitch to install with the oval hole required. -- Drew
Post #418,521 by CRConrad 6/13/17 4:10:47 AM 6/13/17 4:10:47 AM Reply	The bigger question about door knobs is of course... ...YTF does anyone use knobs in the first place? Ordinary sensible door handles have been invented, you know. The only reason to use a round slippery thingamabob would be if you've got pets (or, for a few short years, toddlers?) that you don't want to be able to open the door by themselves. And, as usual with stupid-ass backwards shit like this: "Only in America". (Well, OK, maybe the rest of the Anglophone world too? From film and TV, you get the impression it's about fifty-fifty in, say, the UK and Australia.) When it comes to doors more generally, for once the US avoids being the weirdest in the known world with it's stupid-ass round slippery doorknob thingamabobs, being beaten to the pip by the weird UK habit of hanging doors that are towards the corner of a room the wrong way around, creating an impractical and a-social niche behind them when they're opened. Not that second place is much to brag about in this particular contest. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #418,525 by drook 6/13/17 8:05:25 AM 6/13/17 8:05:25 AM Reply	I don't understand the UK layout you're describing -- Drew
Post #418,545 by CRConrad 6/14/17 8:19:53 AM 6/14/17 8:19:53 AM Reply	Sensible way: hinge nearest corner. Weird UK way: hinge farthest from corner. (Also: No "pre" tag?) If you have a door at or near the corner of a room, and it is hung along the edge nearest to the corner, then it opens ninety degrees towards the wall adjacent to the corner (the other wall, not the one the door is in). Then the opening is visible from the whole room, and vice versa. If, OTOH, it is hung on the edge fartest from the corner, opening it ~ninety degrees creates a temporary niche hidden from most of the room, and most of the room hidden from it. To get visibility you have to open it 180 degrees towards the wall (the one it's hung on). To me, the former feels so obvious as to be the only sensible way to do it; the latter so weird I couldn't even imagine doing it that way until I saw it in British films and TV shows. The "pre" (or "tt" or other monospaced) HTML tag(s) do(es)n't seem to work here, so to see the below (IBM Extended) ASCII art in all its glory, you'll probably have to copy-paste it into something that can display in a non-proportional font. ┌──────────────────┐ ╒══────────────────┐ x │ x │ ├─── │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ │ └──────────────────┘ └──────────────────┘ X: Friend, or zombie hungry for your braaaiiinnnsss? In one case you know, in the other it's hidden by a stupidly hinged door. -- Christian R. Conrad Same old username (as above), but now on iki.fi (Yeah, yeah, it redirects to the same old GMail... But just in case I ever want to change.)
Post #418,532 by malraux 6/13/17 10:47:12 AM 6/13/17 10:47:12 AM Reply	Almost every knob in our house is either lever or thumb-lever Except for a few that haven't been replaced yet and one that we don't want the cat opening. Regards, -scott Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson.
Post #418,533 by Andrew Grygus 6/13/17 11:25:55 AM 6/13/17 11:25:55 AM Reply	Yeah, but a lot of those door handles . . . . . have a nasty habit of catching on cloths and things you might be carrying.
Post #418,541 by static 6/14/17 12:15:24 AM 6/14/17 12:15:24 AM Reply	Opening to the wall. You describe something that is merely an older standard. Doors that open against the wall have been standard in Au for decades and probably nearly as long in the UK, too. Doors that open the other way were once standard in Au, but that died out in new houses before I was born. However, the UK does have quite a lot more older houses than we do. (I shall be watching for this on Grand Designs in the future!) Wade.

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