Yet another 'Top 50 games' list

Post #41,205 by Meerkat 6/4/02 10:03:36 PM Reply	Yet another 'Top 50 games' list To be found [link\|http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/06/1022982711238.html\| here] for the next week or so thanks to the Sydney Morning Herald. I mostly agree with what they say, but my anti-MS bias says Halo shouldn't get up as high as it did, despite the fact I've not played it :) John, who is miffed that Samba De Amiga and Space Channel 5 didn't get a look-in :)
Post #41,295 by inthane-chan 6/5/02 4:58:32 PM Reply	Maybe they should replace it with... ...MULE. Nearly the best game EVER made. AND it's multiplayer. I've played Halo. It's pretty. Real pretty. Ignore the fact that there isn't much gameplay there, it's REALLY PRETTY! Just kidding. IMO, publisher aside, it sucked. Other people liked it. YMMV. InThane - Now running Ashton rev 2.0
Post #41,332 by Meerkat 6/5/02 8:53:10 PM Reply	Good point, MULE was tops! On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #41,335 by orion 6/5/02 8:57:45 PM Reply	No mention of Hovver Bovver either that was a fun game. BTW how did "Doom" beat "Quake"? FBog! *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #41,340 by Meerkat 6/5/02 9:12:21 PM Reply	I can understand Doom beating Quake. Quake had atmosphere, technological whizziness, and lots of brown. Doom OTOH had fun, fun, and lots of fun. Rooms full of monsters were fun. Still remember the first ever time I played it, and the associated 'WOW' factor. Can't say the same for Quake. However I think I've played a lot more Quake than I have Doom, esp. Multiplayer. On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #41,367 by inthane-chan 6/6/02 2:34:16 AM Reply	Doom is to single player 3d shooter... ...as Quake is to multiplayer 3d shooters. Revolutionized the genre. (Side note: There's no excuse for MULE not to be on that list - there are games older than it on the list.) Here are games that IMO don't belong on that list, and why: Unreal - Yeah, it's pretty. Quite frankly, the single player didn't do much for me. The AI was overrated (It's basically Quake/Doom level AI, except the critters move a lot faster, do a lot more damage, and take a lot more damage. The deathmatch bots were pretty good, though.) and the story made no sense (to me) whatsoever. Halo - I've already said why. I'd replace them with StarFlight, and Fallout/Wasteland. InThane - Now running Ashton rev 2.0
Post #41,368 by Meerkat 6/6/02 2:41:14 AM Reply	I really unjoyed Unreal But yeah, don't know if it really deserved a place on the list - after all is was pretty much a 'me-too' game. there's never going to be a list like this that everyone agrees with. Maybe that's why newspapers and magazines keep doing them. Incites discussion, leads to sales... Haven't played StarFlight or Fallout/Wasteland. Can't think, off the top of my head, of any games that should be on the list. Maybe The Settlers, just because it one of those games that for great stretched of time I simply couldn't put down. On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #41,387 by static 6/6/02 8:31:55 AM Reply	Definitely. Doom was a whole new experience. I remember playing the shareware version a friend gave me on my old laptop - I flattened and charged the batteries 3 or 4 times in one sitting! I'm glad to see Diablo was high on the list. Although I never bought the first one (only played a borrowed copy in multi-player), I can understand why it took off. Especially how I have bought Diablo II and am enjoying it immensely. I'm also glad Wipeout 2097 was on the list, though I would have rated it higher. It, too, was a Defining game for the PlayStation. IMO, it was one of the few games where it felt like you were going the speed you were going. Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #41,488 by pwhysall 6/6/02 11:27:24 PM Reply	WipEout 2097... ...was the reason I bought a PlayStation in the first place. I still play it now. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #41,493 by static 6/7/02 12:35:12 AM Reply	grin "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #41,371 by pwhysall 6/6/02 3:09:54 AM Reply	Quake has one thing. Gameplay. This tradition continued with Q2, and now with Q3A which has quite simply the most developed gameplay of any online shooter. I've played Unreal (shocking input lag in D3D mode and orrible OpenGL support), Unreal Tournament, Serious Sam, Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Kingpin and a slew of others that didn't stick in my mind. The one I go back to is Quake 3. I play the Threewave mod, specifically CaptureStrike (think Rocket Arena [fine mod] meets Capture The Flag). Here's testament to the staying power of Quake. People are /still/ playing the original QuakeWorld online. People only play Doom for a few minutes nostalgia now. ("WTF I can't rocket jump! Hang on, I can't jump AT ALL!") There's a whole 'nother post waiting about how the Quake 3 engine kicks Unreal's sorry ass, too :-) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #41,374 by Meerkat 6/6/02 3:29:45 AM Reply	No jumping in Doom still comes as a surprise each time I go back to it. But nowadays I run one of the new GL-ised version where they've added things like jumping. And translucency. And the impression that some people just refuse to let go of old games and learn to move on :) On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #41,443 by orion 6/6/02 3:06:45 PM Reply	Jumping, like Redneck Rampage Redneck Rampage was fun for about 20 minutes, but then the game sort of wore off into a Doom or Quake clone. But you could jump and squat. If you squatted in a well or toliet, it would take you to an underground water shortcut. Just watch out for that truck on the main road, and find the bowling ball to hit the chickens with and knock them down like pins. Funny for the first 20 minutes, but then you get tired of playing it. *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #41,444 by orion 6/6/02 3:10:34 PM Reply	More good games not on the list M.U.L.E. was one. Bruce Lee was another. Gauntlet, was another cool multiplayer game. Bop N. Rumble, a C64/PC game that had a wrestler guy fight off Ninja Grampas, old ladys with purses that turned into helicopters, etc. Hovver Boover, "borrow" lawnmowers to mow your lawn. Pirates!, argh, there be a cool game! Master Of Magic/ Master Of Orion *I am free now, to choose my own destiny.*
Post #41,373 by pwhysall 6/6/02 3:28:31 AM Reply	I wonder... ...has the reviewer actually played these games? Errors: 1. WipEout 2097 doesn't have music by Aphex Twin. 2. Half-Life is based on a heavily modded Q1 engine, not Q2. 3. Unreal's AI wasn't particularly good - it was just that the aliens moved VERY fast and rarely missed. The Q1 reaperbot is better, and that was written by a bloke in his bedroom. The bot AI isn't bad, though. 4. Nit: Elite on the C64 was a pale shadow of the BBC version. The Archimedes version was even better. At any rate, Elite came out first on the BBC. And there are no "weapons turrets" in any version of Elite before Frontier, which doesn't have wireframe graphics. Omissions: 1. Quake 3 - spectacular engine, breathtaking level design, astounding bot AI. 2. Worms. 3. Any 3D fighting games whatsoever. Where the hell is Tekken 2? 4. Revs. Without Revs, there would be no Gran Turismo. 5. The Sentinel, for its utterly original gameplay. 6. go on, fill 'em in, you know you want to :) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #41,376 by Meerkat 6/6/02 3:44:26 AM Reply	Perhaps the list was fairly personal Though I'll have to read the article again to see if that's right (when/if I have the time/can be bothered! :) Frinstance I wouldn't include any 3d fighting games in my top 50-100-1000-whatever because they're just not my cup of tea. I played Yie-Ar Kung Fu on the '64 once or twice, but that was about it. The whole genre just leaves me cold. But hey, I'm all for going to an arcade and trying Dance Dance Revolution :) On and on and on and on, and on and on and on goes John.
Post #41,377 by pwhysall 6/6/02 3:55:00 AM Reply	Tekken 2 changed the rules. Up to and including Tekken, fighting games were primarily about being /fast/. Speed was everything - few games had reasonable low moves and all Virtua Fighter's combos seemed to involve left-right-left-right [pound button 10x]. Tekken 2 changed all that. Now you had to be /good/. The combos are truly difficult to pull off, and not because the button combinations are hard - it's because timing is everything. But when you get it right... oh my. If you haven't seen or done Baek Doo San's Wing Blade/Hunting Hawk combo you haven't seen true beauty in a fighting game. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, it's supposed to be. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #41,386 by static 6/6/02 8:18:20 AM Reply	Being good at duelling games. Namco tried a version of that with Soul Blade. I don't know about Tekken, but Soul Blade on the PlayStation had a "story" mode which was a really clever way of putting a storyline around a sequence of fights. It also earnt you extra weapons that you could use in the main game. I wish they'd made more of that; they could have turned the story mode into an animated movie or even a TV series. I would've watched that! Wade. "Ah. One of the difficult questions."
Post #44,266 by wharris2 7/2/02 2:38:05 PM Reply	Re: Tekken 2 changed the rules. If you haven't seen or done Baek Doo San's Wing Blade/Hunting Hawk combo you haven't seen true beauty in a fighting game. Change that to: "No matter if you've seen or done Baek Doo San's Wing Blade or anything else, you still haven't seen anything worth playing." (It should be obvious that fighting games are just not my cup of tea, coffee, beer, whiskey, or any other drink.)
Post #41,684 by ben_tilly 6/8/02 10:58:48 PM Reply	I am definitely not a gamer Out of their top 50 I have played 15. Mostly the older ones. Several of the newer ones that I played, were just a couple of times each. Peter. Remind me again why I needed a Radeon 8500 in my new computer? :-P Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman
Post #41,709 by pwhysall 6/9/02 2:54:25 AM Reply	apt-get install xscreensaver-gl :-) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #41,720 by ben_tilly 6/9/02 10:58:05 AM Reply	Thought so So basically the same reason that I have a CPU which is an order of magnitude faster than the old one. :-) Cheers, Ben "... I couldn't see how anyone could be educated by this self-propagating system in which people pass exams, teach others to pass exams, but nobody knows anything." --Richard Feynman
Post #41,723 by pwhysall 6/9/02 11:33:57 AM Reply	Hey. If you can live without sproingies, you're a better man than me. Best screensaver ever? Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #41,882 by Meerkat 6/10/02 9:45:37 PM Reply	Sigh. If only I had talent, I'd try and port it to OS X. But yeah, it looks tops. There's something better than 'pipes'? I'm shocked. Deeply shocked :-)

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