Mandriva shutting down

Post #402,062 by lincoln 5/27/15 9:29:00 AM Reply	Mandriva shutting down http://finance.yahoo.com/news/linux-company-spent-17-years-171430998.html Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897
Post #402,066 by a6l6e6x 5/27/15 10:23:41 AM Reply	Sad, but some Linux consolidation is good. Alex "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge." -- Isaac Asimov
Post #402,084 by Andrew Grygus 5/27/15 8:16:08 PM Reply	Linux desktop may get one more chance. After release of Windows 10, Windows becomes a subscription service, with Microsoft in total control. A lot of people aren't going to like that.
Post #402,085 by boxley 5/27/15 8:29:03 PM Reply	redhat already does that, hasn't slowed down their growth Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #402,207 by pwhysall 5/31/15 4:40:38 AM Reply	And RHEL, like Stella Artois, is reassuringly expensive, too. https://www.redhat.com/apps/store/server/ (Interesting: Itanium support was dropped between versions 5 and 6)
Post #402,214 by boxley 5/31/15 11:41:34 AM Reply	Stella Artois, is not expensive unless you are equaling miller lite to windows, then maybe Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #402,217 by pwhysall 5/31/15 11:50:52 AM 5/31/15 11:54:12 AM Reply	£4.80 a pint in London, yes it bloody is. Also, this: That's a joke, son. But: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reassuringly_Expensive Edited by pwhysall May 31, 2015, 11:51:41 AM EDT Edited by pwhysall May 31, 2015, 11:54:12 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #402,218 by boxley 5/31/15 12:08:55 PM Reply	wow, draft here is $4 bottles $3.50 in bar 6 pack $8.99 at supermarket budwieser horse piss of beer is $3.50 draft $3.50 bottle and $6.99 in supermarket. Think london is too expensive, ship all the russians back to putin, maybe that will bring the prices down. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #402,220 by pwhysall 5/31/15 2:26:46 PM Reply	Can't argue with the methodology
Post #402,223 by lincoln 5/31/15 3:00:28 PM Reply	$8.41 cash price for a 4 pack of 14.9 oz cans here That's 7.65 Euros at today's exchange rate. Don't know what a bar charges per glass. Guessing around $5 - $6 for a 16 oz drink. Satan (impatiently) to Newcomer: The trouble with you Chicago people is, that you think you are the best people down here; whereas you are merely the most numerous. - - - Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's New Calendar" 1897
Post #402,206 by pwhysall 5/31/15 4:36:06 AM Reply	Are you saying... ...that this is The Year Of Linux On The Desktop? :D lotd doesn't solve any problems for anyone any more. With Windows and OS X being effectively free, and lotd not having any "omg I must have that" features (other than the Free-ness, which The Drooling Hordes don't give a crap about), and it's not even particularly lightweight unless you run something like XFCE which ends up being evil to use. Sure, it's good enough. But that's not the bar lotd needs to clear; it needs to be sufficiently better than Windows or OS X to make people switch, and the evidence of the past 20 years is that this has not been and is not the case. BTW, there is no real evidence whatsoever (other than a metric shitload of clickbait speculation on the interwebs) that Windows is moving to a subscription-only model.
Post #402,211 by mmoffitt 5/31/15 10:32:49 AM Reply	Vice versa for me. I've used lotd at work for more than a decade at work and at home. A lot of stuff I do at work (when I'm not being a PHB) I either couldn't do at all on Winders or would be extremely more complicated to do on Winders - and likely one metric crapload less stable. I haven't used Winders at home since since the late 1990's with the exception of running VMware to host a toy operating system (read: Windows) when I was making a living as an MCSD. Are there things that we use Windows for at work? Absolutely. You're not really going to get good support for SAP Business Objects on Linux and our purchased accounting system requires MS Sql Server, which, of course, you're not going to run on a non-Redmond OS. Then, too, there's our legacy applications, MS Exchange and BES (yes, we're still using those). I've always been a fan of running whatever operating system fits best. Saying lotd doesn't have a place misses the mark. It depends on what you need to do. I've never looked for an "omg I must have that" feature of an operating system. My operating system should run, reliably, be as secure as it can be without making me cut performance by a third so I can pay somebody else for add-on software to keep my mail client from sending kiddie porn all over the world and just plain stay out of the way so I can get some real work done with my machine. I don't use these things for fun.
Post #402,213 by pwhysall 5/31/15 11:38:32 AM Reply	You're hardly one of the drooling masses. You're drooling, yes; but as your message indicates, you're a member of a pretty small set of users. Which is kind of the polar opposite of what I was talking about, but I think you knew that.
Post #402,231 by mmoffitt 6/1/15 10:56:35 AM Reply	I don't think there's much market for the PC itself among the drooling masses.
Post #402,235 by pwhysall 6/1/15 11:37:04 AM Reply	Oh, there is Cuz Apple don't play in the "under $600 laptop"* space (and yes, people still buy a lot of those) and even a not-shit Chromebook is that sort of money, too. Whilst tablets are getting everywhere, there's still a metric fuckload of £300 laptops getting bought. The replacement cycle is slowing down, natch, but the numbers are still in the hundreds of millions. Or the "under $600 anything space", really, Apple TV notwithstanding.
Post #402,236 by Another Scott 6/1/15 11:54:10 AM Reply	ChromeBooks should be eating somebody's lunch. I got a Toshiba ChromeBook 2 for $280. It's not fast, but its a very, very decent box. It's $309 now. My earlier comments on it are here. Tablets are very limiting for anything other than "consuming content". Cheers, Scott.
Post #402,239 by drook 6/1/15 12:10:53 PM 6/1/15 12:11:02 PM Reply	My daughter's ChromeBook is a really nice piece of kit Light, good battery life, fast, good battery life, decent screen, did I mention the battery? Seriously, compared to any other lapper I've ever touched this thing runs just about forever. And between Google Docs and WordPress there's very little I actually need locally any more. -- Drew Edited by drook June 1, 2015, 12:11:02 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #402,215 by boxley 5/31/15 11:44:22 AM Reply	sorry os X is at least $600 dollars as I can buy a decent hp lapper for $289 new and the cheapest mac is $600 north of that. Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 59 years. meep
Post #402,216 by pwhysall 5/31/15 11:50:32 AM Reply	Whev.

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