"Real bottom up." Nice try.

Post #348,048 by mmoffitt 9/23/11 10:03:14 AM Reply	"Real bottom up." Nice try. That's not what is going on and you know it. What is going on is exactly what you alluded to in your post -> the American working class is having its standard of living lowered to that of your "poor Indian." If this really were about bringing things like the minimum wage, overtime wages, OSHA protections, 40 hour work weeks, safe, clean working conditions, paid vacation time, week-ends off and all the rest to India that would be one thing. But that isn't the goal. The goal is to have the American worker cooking over a dung pile in his cardboard house (just like the untouchables in India), laboring for the benefit of some one wearing an Armani and driving a BMW in Manhattan. We've had these sorts of people throughout our history (look up "Robber Barons" some time). But the government (prior to its leveraged buyout by Wall Street) and unions used to provide at least some protection from these gluttons.
Post #348,049 by boxley 9/23/11 10:12:12 AM Reply	well other than the fact I buy my dung in bags marketed by Kingston and royal oak but I live in a house built circa 1973 so it isnt cardboard like the new ones, we are not that far off Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep
Post #348,055 by beepster 9/23/11 11:00:13 AM Reply	Can't this is where your government comes in. There is no possibility of a US person dropping to that level unless our government collapses. So, since we can't get that bad, and they can only get better, your latest salvo still doesn't fit with your first start into this discussion. And your position is now extremely xenophobic. Who is to say that we should not aspire to the french model, with 6 wks pd vacation by law minimum, mandatory 34 hr workweek...and maybe the average idian worker is in clean working conditions (relatively speaking) compared to living conditions...and possibly working 12 hours a day 7 days a week to support his family is better than the alternative of no work and starvation...and with no work available, there is no chance that working conditions will ever improve. (naturally) Suddenly, the US way is the aspiration, even though out of the other side of your mouth it is a way that needs to be destroyed in favor of all power to government...or all power to workers. And >actually<, what I know is that the BRIC countries (where all of these low cost labor things are built) are now pricing themselves out of that position, because their wages are indeed increasing (just like happened here)...so the real world seems to favor my argument over yours...the US is in no danger of abject poverty as witnessed in other locations, and those other locations are improving because of the global mobility of manufacturing. Sure, understanding today's complex world of the future is a little like having bees live in your head. But...there they are.
Post #348,061 by S1mon_Jester 9/23/11 12:16:05 PM Reply	Re: Can't --this is where your government comes in. There is no possibility of a US person dropping to that level unless our government collapses. You have more faith in the Federal Government than I do.
Post #348,099 by crazy 9/24/11 5:50:32 AM Reply	Note: He said "your" He was being sarcastic.
Post #348,098 by crazy 9/24/11 5:48:06 AM Reply	Beep won't be happy until everyone works in a Maquiladora http://www.google.co...+health+violation
Post #348,109 by boxley 9/24/11 9:54:39 AM Reply	only if he runs the Maquilador Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free American and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 55 years. meep

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