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New Last festival concert I went to ...
Four of us went. We ended up with (among us) a broken clavicle, two dislocated/broken fingers, two black eyes, assorted cuts and bruises, and several man-days worth of hangovers. The score would have been worse, except that one of the guys was a kickboxer and managed to pull another guy (the one with the busted clavicle) out of the bottom of the mosh pit.

It actually looked like a scene out of a movie. Jay thinks the pit looks like fun, the other three of us stay on the sidelines. He goes down under the crowd, and we start trying to push through to get him. Suddenly Noah starts throwing fists and elbows and cuts a swath through the middle of the crowd. It looked like a whirlpool crashing around a rock as he mowed them down. He finally got to Jay and we dragged him to the first aid station.

I think I knew who one of the bands was before I went (we got free tickets) but we ended up leaving before the headliner came on.

This was [mumble mumble] years ago, so I can't say if the mosh-pit-as-recreational-fight is still popular. IOW nothing useful to contribute here.
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New No mosh pitting
Being an ex bar security type I can maneuver round the shyte and having a kid with me obligates some sobriety. But what was the level of violence outside the pit?
thanx,
bill
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
New I've never had a problem.
But I rarely fight my way toward the stage.

I think it depends on how close you want to be to the stage, how drunk and nasty the crowd is, etc. But my taste in music isn't that far in the grunge, etc., genre and I'm usually far from "the action". Usually you'll have some indication of a problem before it develops into something serious.

Recent shows I've seen:

The Who
Neil Young
The Cure
The North(?) Mississippi All-Stars
Bare Naked Ladies
Blue Mountain
Son Volt

Things of that sort. Venues include the 930 Club in DC, Nissan Pavilion, Wolf Trap, IOTA in Arlington, The Birchmere in Alexandria, etc.

I don't think you'll have a problem with trouble. You'll have more annoyances with frat boys talking the whole time during the show, giants blocking your view, people crowding in if you try to have some space to move, etc. :-(

Enjoy!

Cheers,
Scott.
New No troubles here
But then I didn't get to my first proper concert 'til I was 17.

I've never been to a gig where fights have broken out, but I've not seen too many bands where I thought it likely to happen. I've been to gigs where plenty of amusing thigns have happened - Sonic Youth were playing at a festival, and toward the end out walks Nick Cave, with Iggy Pop over his shoulder. Now that was cool. Anyway, before I disappear into the hazy days of my misspent youth...

Definitely agree with the people-talking-the-whole-time, and giants-blocking-your-view thing. Going to concerts always makes me feel short :)
On and on and on and on,
and on and on and on goes John.
New Well if you look at the site under the rules thing
no cell phones or beepers as they have been used as weapons, made me think a little bit.
thanx,
bill
TAM ARIS QUAM ARMIPOTENS
New I just saw Billy Joel and Elton John
Serious old man music. I took my 13 year
old son, who loves Billy Joel.

EXPENSIVE tickets. $175 each.

I'm in a section that got released for sale,
day of concert, so it was 1/2 empty. I'm
in the perfect seat at the FU Center in
Philly.

Some large, ugly, drunk guy is dancing in the
aisle, directly in my view.

I wait until Billy Joel starts, ignoring him
during Elton John.

I get up and lean toward him.

Me: Can you please move over a foot?
(I consider this a reasonable request.)

Him: NO!

Me: (shocked, amazed, and a bit pissy):
Huh? What?

Him: You MOVE! There are plenty of seats,
sit in a different one!

Me: No!
(I am NOT giving up the perfect seat).
I'm standing about 1 foot away from him, staring
him down. Note: We were screaming to be heard above
the concert at this point. Also, I'm a LITTLE guy,
who never fought since junior high, no training.
On the other hand, he's drunk, and I'm feeling
evil, and I'm SURE I can sucker drop him.
I continue stare, a foot away, waiting for the
next move.

Him: Hey, it's a concert! People Stand!!!

Me: NO! ASSHOLES STAND!!!
I step about 18 inches back, making sure when he
swings at me he has to reach, which will throw
him off balance, Then I can slam the side of
his head as he wraps around.

More staring. He has a look of total fury, combined
with confused amazement. He is towering over me,
and has probably never heard any back talk in his life.

He seems to make a decision, and preps for a swing.
At that EXACT moment, a security guard grabs him and
throws him in his seat.

For the next 2 hours, everytime he forgets, he starts
to dance in his seat, and slowly rises. He then
remembers, does a quick look around, sees me, and
then sinks back down in his seat.


hehehehehe
New Yahoo!
Damn that felt good.

Oh, wait a minute. That was you.

So what, it still felt good.
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New Naah; their new privacy policy sucks!
Sorry, couldn't resist.
New Yeah, I have those big mouth suicidal moments.
About 10 years ago I was on a plane from FL, after
visiting my mother with my son, who was about 3 at the
time.

BIG BIKER, tattoos, beard, beer belly, etc, was sitting
behind my son. His kid (11ish) was sitting behind me.

The little bastard kept kicking my seat. I turned around
and asked him to stop. At least twice. I complained
to the dad.

Him: What can I do?
Me: Excuse me?
Him: I can't make him stop.
Me: How sad. Incapable of controlling a small child.
How pitiful can you get.

At that point I realized I was trapped in a plane, my back
to someone who was by definition an "outlaw", and I had
just insulted him. I spent the rest of the flight waiting
to get slammed in the back of the head.

I don't remember if the kid stopped kicking. I probably would
not have noticed over my adrenaline fueled heatbeat.

I met up with him again in the bathroom when we landed, but we
ignored each other.

Whew.
New Air seating
I don't recall the specifics, but I was in a flight, someone had stuck something in the seat pocket behind me, that was poking me in the back. I explained the problem. No response.

I reiterated the problem, more vocally. No response.

I jammed my elbow into the back of my seat, full force, dislodging something, and generating a notable, though incoherent, response, in the seat behind me.

No problems for the remainder of the flight.

Sometimes it helps to be 6'2", 240#+, and fairly compelling in person ;-)

Or, as I remarked to someone here a few weeks ago who'd noted that a "self described real asshole was actually a really good friend in person": Most of us who are real assholes have spent too much time polishing the skill to waste it on people or circumstances where it doesn't pay out.
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New Yes, you're bigger than your photo suggests. :-)

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Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

     Parenting question - (boxley) - (27)
         Last festival concert I went to ... - (drewk) - (10)
             No mosh pitting - (boxley) - (9)
                 I've never had a problem. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     No troubles here - (Meerkat) - (1)
                         Well if you look at the site under the rules thing - (boxley)
                 I just saw Billy Joel and Elton John - (broomberg) - (5)
                     Yahoo! - (Silverlock) - (4)
                         Naah; their new privacy policy sucks! -NT - (CRConrad)
                         Yeah, I have those big mouth suicidal moments. - (broomberg) - (2)
                             Air seating - (kmself) - (1)
                                 Yes, you're bigger than your photo suggests. :-) -NT - (static)
         13 is old enough - (andread) - (8)
             The guy had a point, IMnshO. - (CRConrad) - (7)
                 Well his kid was 13, so is mine 5.8 150lbs big enough ? -NT - (boxley) - (6)
                     No, YOUR kid's 13 - Andy's was 5 at the time. Sheesh, Box... - (CRConrad) - (5)
                         reading is fundamental - (boxley) - (4)
                             Um, Christian has a point - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                 Just to clarify.... - (andread)
                                 where is that sign url again? sheesh:) -NT - (boxley)
                             Indeed it is... and you failed. - (CRConrad)
         A practical concern - (Ashton) - (6)
             Good advice. Even kleenex helps some. -NT - (Another Scott)
             good point, he is already partially deaf. - (boxley)
             On that note... - (static) - (2)
                 High end hearing sucks - (broomberg) - (1)
                     Mine is gone - (Silverlock)
             Aesthetic as well - (3))

Yeah, would be nice if "despair" wasn't such an appropriate word choice.
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