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New On the trains side of things......
...When I was working in Germany in late 2002, I decided to take a trip up to northeastern England to meet-n-greet our very own Petey. My plane ticket from Frankfurt to London (Stansted, I believe) was in the neighborhood of €100. Give or take.

Then, my train ticket (sitting-or-standing, as available, definitely not reserved-seating) from London to Middlesbrough was on the order of £250.

Now, I'll grant that London to Middlesbrough is not a short trip. 3 hours or so by multiple trains. But ISTR that train travel out there is not subsidized by the federal government, as it is here. You pays your own way for a full-fare seat for a company actually trying to make a profit.
-Mike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New stockton to newcastle around 40 miles give or take.
New And London to Middlesbrough is 250 miles, give or take.
http://maps.google.c...5&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=7
-Mike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
     to UK members, question - (boxley) - (6)
         On the trains side of things...... - (mvitale) - (2)
             stockton to newcastle around 40 miles give or take. -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                 And London to Middlesbrough is 250 miles, give or take. - (mvitale)
         Crap, mostly. -NT - (pwhysall)
         Repeating crap - (warmachine) - (1)
             well she is north of 80yo so yes she hangs around old people - (boxley)

You've got a lot of repressed feelings, don't you?
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