Are you just teaching the controversy?

Post #310,884 by drook 7/13/09 12:57:48 PM Reply	Are you just teaching the controversy? Specifically, do you personally believe that Obama was actually born outside the U.S.? And, do you believe that he is not legally eligible to be president? -- Drew
Post #310,887 by boxley 7/13/09 1:01:33 PM Reply	To answer both IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER!!! he crawled out of the crotch of an American Born Citizen, that makes him a citizen and as eligible as John Mccain. Where he crawled out is immaterial. Whether he is a dual national is immaterial. He is eligible. Would be nice to pass a law so the fruitcakes dont crawl out next time around. Does that help? thanx, bill
Post #310,889 by drook 7/13/09 1:20:17 PM Reply	Sure does And leads to the point people here keep making about WND. By your own standards they're fruitcakes. They keep advancing ideas that are clearly absurd, and facts that are quite simply not true. They do this so frequently, and so transparently, that most of us discount anything published there just because it's published there. Anything I hear from WND that I haven't heard somewhere else first, my first response is not, "Gosh, I hadn't heard that. I wonder if it's true?" My response is, "I wonder what facts they're distorting in order to make that claim." The modern version of "You're known by the company you keep" is "You're known by the sources you cite." I'll admit there are plenty of sites with an obvious liberal bias. But WND seems to be typical of a class of conservative sites that have not only a bias, but an M.O. of hammering incessantly on points that clearly have no merit. Teach the controversy. -- Drew
Post #310,891 by boxley 7/13/09 1:36:01 PM Reply	what, you never read News of the World? not even in the checkout line? Well for those who miss stories about Bin Laden's affair with Saadam and BatBoy you have wnd who extremely occasionally shat a nugget of useful information thanx, bill
Post #310,896 by lincoln 7/13/09 2:04:26 PM Reply	World Weekly News went out of business a few months ago, so it would be pretty hard for someone to read it in a supermarket checkout line today. "Chicago to my mind was the only place to be. ... I above all liked the city because it was filled with people all a-bustle, and the clatter of hooves and carriages, and with delivery wagons and drays and peddlers and the boom and clank of freight trains. And when those black clouds came sailing in from the west, pouring thunderstorms upon us so that you couldn't hear the cries or curses of humankind, I liked that best of all. Chicago could stand up to the worst God had to offer. I understood why it was built--a place for trade, of course, with railroads and ships and so on, but mostly to give all of us a magnitude of defiance that is not provided by one house on the plains. And the plains is where those storms come from." -- E.L. Doctorow
Post #310,899 by boxley 7/13/09 2:07:57 PM Reply	Glad you noticed Well for those who miss stories about was an oblique reference to the fact that it is no longer published
Post #310,906 by rcareaga 7/13/09 3:57:31 PM Reply	You didn't answer either question Yes/No, please to each of the questions posed in post #14024. It would help us to understand where you're coming from (to the extent that rational minds can ever be privy to a worldview deformed by daily doses of the notoriously hallucinogenic WND). cordially,
Post #310,908 by drook 7/13/09 4:02:35 PM Reply	Ooh, he actually didn't answer either, did he? The "as eligible as McCain" line threw me. -- Drew
Post #310,911 by boxley 7/13/09 5:16:01 PM Reply	Re: Ooh, he actually didn't answer either, did he? Sorry Mccain was proved eligible in a court of law as he was born on US soil outside of the US on an army base in Panama. Was Obama born in the US or not a yes 2 no c it fucking doesnt matter I pick c. Since the refusal to issue the long form of the birth certificate due to vagaries of Hawaiian law during that time period he may have been born there he may not have. Is Obama eligable to be president of the USA? a. no 2 yes c fucking aye yes I pick c there is no ambiguity to be had, his ma was a us citizen therefore so is he thus eligible now you can answer a question for me do you think a dna sample should be compared between obama and his white relatives? /me dux
Post #310,941 by jake123 7/14/09 11:30:23 AM Reply	Actually, this raises another question If being born on a US base in another country makes McCain eligible for president, why is it that the US seems to think that people held on a US base in another country aren't entitled to constitutional protections?
Post #310,943 by drook 7/14/09 11:40:40 AM Reply	Ooh, I hadn't heard that before. Is that a new idea? -- Drew
Post #310,944 by jake123 7/14/09 12:05:51 PM Reply	I actually brought that up here during the election last year, but nobody bit. I didn't read it somewhere, just occurred to me that if McCain was eligible despite being born out of the US due to his being born on a military base, why was it that the same didn't hold for people in Guantanamo Bay?
Post #310,948 by beepster 7/14/09 12:47:11 PM Reply	none of them were running for President. hth;-) I will choose a path that's clear. I will choose freewill.
Post #310,945 by boxley 7/14/09 12:14:33 PM Reply	I answered that for you I think A US Base anywhere in the world is US Soil but is under the jurisdiction of the Military Code of Justice not the full constitution. Reference the wilderness forts in territories claimed by the US in the 1800's but not governed by a civilian appointment. thanx, bill
Post #310,967 by jake123 7/14/09 4:07:17 PM Reply	Is there not anything in the Military Code of Justice about indefinite detention without charge?
Post #310,969 by boxley 7/14/09 4:18:19 PM Reply	read it http://www.au.af.mil.../awcgate/ucmj.htm vague enough to fit

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