Present the evidence for anthropogenic climate change.

Post #274,494 by pwhysall 11/30/06 6:03:19 PM Reply	Present the evidence for anthropogenic climate change. I promise you, you will struggle so to do. That the climate is changing is beyond question. It's getting warmer. And shortly, it'll get cooler. (there's a period of cooling coming up, starting about 2012, iirc. Mind you, it's the Russkis who think that) Planets do that from time to time. There are many good reasons to pursue more cleaner, efficient useage and production of energy, but climate change isn't one of them. Unfortunately, we're entering a period where according to political expediency, climate change (aka The Sky Is Falling) will be wheeled out to alternately distract and tax the shit out of the electorate. In short, blah blah blah CLIMATE CHANGE blah blah iraq blah blah CLIMATE CHANGE blah blah biometric id cards blah blah CLIMATE CHANGE blah blah tax increases blah blah terror laws blah blah CLIMATE CHANGE blah blah state surveillance of the populace blah blah CLIMATE CHANGE. And you know that even if it were true, that the USA, India and China would simply ignore it and carry on more-or-less regardless, having made some appropriate noises for the cameras. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|]
Post #274,499 by Ashton 11/30/06 7:51:42 PM Reply	Agree about the likely/traditional response. And have 'agreed' since tykehood in the observations of my very-own eyes: that our Kultur was/is one based upon profligate waste. The rest of the world has been easily seduced into the same mindset. Nor was that merely my own myopic take - I could reel off the (unread) book titles from, even before Silent Spring. 'Population' - remember that one? You can be Lots sloppier in your spaceship if all the staterooms aren't full -- and the inmates start burning the 'trees'. Humans are notoriously incompetent at estimating scale & relativity. This will be a ~ Final Exam on, your money or your life (?) See the bloody flic and Then see what anthropogenic sources you just might suspect could have a teensy thing to do with.. the population ascension rates, the blip in late 1800s. Etc. Yes of Course the next loudest sounds shall indeed be CLIMATE! {spin} Spin SPIN. It's what Machiavelli would have done, too. Nor will $Empires$ be expected to suddenly go all warm puppy about loving-fellow-men - not just their women: the powerful will insist upon Bullion being the first loaded into any lifeboats. Of course - we Shall be making decisions with insufficient data, some of those in emergency mode, interspersed amidst the CLIMATE! {spin} Spin SPIN CLIMATE! {spin} Spin SPIN background buzz. Consensus? Wait for that, perhaps? Take a look at some of the graph deltas, then investigate whether they are from Exxon or Other - accreditation is not a step to be skipped, in haste. Decisions will be wrong, predictably; if most are of the same quality as manufactured Iraq - we're doomed. But they need not be. Still, we appear to have a vanishingly small window for education of millions/billions of the slothful about the Whys, in language a 12 yo can understand. Since we've never before tried a crash program for Growing Up, well.. nobody knows if the species could turn away from the 24/7 entertainment long enough to learn how to ponder. Nobody knows that. Wish ourselves luck - it'll take a lot of that. (Alas, I won't be around to witness Wall Street under water. But I'll always have Paris. S'enough.)
Post #274,514 by pwhysall 12/1/06 1:26:49 AM 12/1/06 1:27:37 AM Reply	Don't get me started about Silent Spring The worldwide DDT ban resulted in about 50-80 million extra deaths from malaria. Another fine example of the human race's complete inability to estimate risk. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes! [link\|http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?pwhysall\|A better terminal emulator] [image\|http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h262/pwhysall/Misc/saveus.png\|0\|Darwinia\|\|] Edited by pwhysall Dec. 1, 2006, 01:27:37 AM EST Expand All History
Post #274,558 by Ashton 12/1/06 4:14:42 PM Reply	Event order: 1) See.. the flic___2) Then.. critique the flic
Post #274,569 by boxley 12/1/06 5:31:07 PM Reply	nope, just like a Michael Moore flick one does not have to see something made by an agent provocateur to sniff the offal in the message. If I want to understand global warming I dont go to a movie about it. I suppose if you wanted to understand evolution a screening of [link\|http://www.flockofdodos.com/\|http://www.flockofdodos.com/] let me know how it turns out. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #274,574 by Ashton 12/1/06 7:23:44 PM Reply	Gee that's just what certain Bible-thumpers say - "No I haven't read all of it - but I know the parts I like." Your 'review' remarks are thus fairly rated 0, possibly -0 (Please don't go into teaching, OK?)
Post #274,576 by boxley 12/1/06 7:49:15 PM Reply	so, how did you rate my recommended flick, backatcher Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep

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