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New Re: The sniffing happens on the server

Except that strategy has the known drawback of producing lower revenues and higher trouble ticket counts. So I guess it depends on your goals.

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Depends on how careful you are producing your "known bad" list, and heavily depends on the user. If, for example, Amazon ever "degraded" the page they send me because I'm using a new-ish Gecko or WebKit browser that isn't in the approved UA list, you can bet that'd be a lost sale for Amazon.

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The existence of good, open-source rendering engines has basically turned this whole thing on its head; years ago it was better to assume that a new browser was deficient. But today, on average, it's better to assume that a new browser is embedding someone else's engine and is thus as capable as the well-known browsers.

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(all of this, of course, ignores larger issues like progressive enhancement and graceful degradation, which are just as important and make UA sniffing even more irrelevant)

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Collapse Edited by ubernostrum Nov. 26, 2006, 05:05:33 PM EST
Re: The sniffing happens on the server

Except that strategy has the known drawback of producing lower revenues and higher trouble ticket counts. So I guess it depends on your goals.

Depends on how careful you are producing your "known bad" list, and heavily depends on the user. If, for example, Amazon ever "degraded" the page they send me because I'm using a new-ish Gecko or WebKit browser that isn't in the approved UA list, you can bet that'd be a lost sale for Amazon.

The existence of good, open-source rendering engines has basically turned this whole thing on its head; years ago it was better to assume that a new browser was deficient. But today, on average, it's better to assume that a new browser is embedding someone else's engine and is thus as capable as the well-known browsers.

(all of this, of course, ignores larger issues like progressive enhancement and graceful degradation, which are just as important)

-- You cooin' with my bird?
Collapse Edited by ubernostrum Nov. 26, 2006, 05:05:47 PM EST
Re: The sniffing happens on the server

Except that strategy has the known drawback of producing lower revenues and higher trouble ticket counts. So I guess it depends on your goals.

Depends on how careful you are producing your "known bad" list, and heavily depends on the user. If, for example, Amazon ever "degraded" the page they send me because I'm using a new-ish Gecko or WebKit browser that isn't in the approved UA list, you can bet that'd be a lost sale for Amazon.

The existence of good, open-source rendering engines has basically turned this whole thing on its head; years ago it was better to assume that a new browser was deficient. But today, on average, it's better to assume that a new browser is embedding someone else's engine and is thus as capable as the well-known browsers.

(all of this, of course, ignores larger issues like progressive enhancement and graceful degradation, which are just as important and make UA sniffing even more irrelevant)

-- You cooin' with my bird?
     Now using IceWeasel, nice. - (folkert) - (27)
         Firefox in drag - (tuberculosis) - (26)
             Firefox OUT OF DRAG. - (folkert) - (25)
                 DFSG - (tuberculosis) - (24)
                     It works exactly like Firefox... - (folkert) - (1)
                         They all say that - (tuberculosis)
                     Re: DFSG - (ubernostrum) - (21)
                         User agent sniffing - (tuberculosis) - (19)
                             Re: User agent sniffing - (ubernostrum) - (18)
                                 Whatever - (tuberculosis) - (17)
                                     Re: Whatever - (ubernostrum) - (10)
                                         Re: Whatever - (tuberculosis) - (9)
                                             Re: Whatever - (ubernostrum) - (8)
                                                 Uh yeah - so how do I compensate for it in the page? - (tuberculosis) - (7)
                                                     Re: Uh yeah - so how do I compensate for it in the page? - (ubernostrum) - (6)
                                                         I mostly agree - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                                                             Re: I mostly agree - (ubernostrum) - (4)
                                                                 Couldn't you use your WAP page? - (drewk) - (1)
                                                                     Re: Couldn't you use your WAP page? - (ubernostrum)
                                                                 Re: I mostly agree - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                                     Re: I mostly agree - (ubernostrum)
                                     On a more serious note, though - (ubernostrum) - (5)
                                         I think Todd's made his argument poorly. - (static)
                                         The sniffing happens on the server - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                             Re: The sniffing happens on the server - (ubernostrum) - (2)
                                                 Re: The sniffing happens on the server - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                     Re: The sniffing happens on the server - (ubernostrum)
                         Re: DFSG - (pwhysall)

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