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Post #273,208 by Ashton 11/13/06 9:59:36 PM Reply	:-) - missed this gem, a nicely conciliatory response which also happens to be rich in truthiness.. not bad. Indeed, it may even be so.. that JC et al copped much of their best material from Sufi lore - direct, or as transmogrified into various offshoots, in India. As they neither operate press agencies nor generate political-flacks - it's unsurprising that 1:1000? Muricans might ever have heard the name. What goes around (comes around only if you're on the right Great-circle-route.) Row Row Row Your Boat? - a Sufi parable.
Post #273,214 by boxley 11/13/06 10:27:12 PM Reply	um err, muslim sufi sect was 700+ After JC (didnja know) and they came out of north afrique? Perhaps you are confusing them with someone else. thanx, bill Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep
Post #273,237 by Ashton 11/13/06 11:50:44 PM Reply	Actually later than that, IIRC - using the name 'Sufi' But their esoteric beginnings/sources (I wasn't there) are alleged to be quite older than JC, intertwined with Moors generally (After all, there's nothing New under the local sun.) Believe 'the Order' didn't get the name 'Sufi' until 1200+ I was more interested in a sense of the origins of the ideas they expressed - than any attempt to follow all the cross-pollenations. Now of course, that's all much easier, once you know enough to vet the veracity of a plethora of 'authoritative' sources with websites. Their superior storytelling abilities appear to have eclipsed the ancient sources; after-all, putting all the aphorisms together needs a different talent than just being Brilliant. (Though not even 'Brilliance' likely compares with being fully Awake, whatever the date.) Indries Shaw has put many of these stories into pretty good Engrish.

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