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Post #255,052 by ben_tilly 5/11/06 10:46:54 AM 5/11/06 6:03:45 PM Reply	They are missing some other things as well Like the ability to hand the other person a piece of paper. But the biggest thing that is missing is a fact of geography. Suppose we have a meeting for 6 people, and 5 are physically present. The 6th person will only be there for the official meeting. The other 5 will discuss the meeting before and after, and those discussions will set a context for and around the meeting. No video conferencing solution can get the 6th person to participate in that unofficial activity. So unless everyone videoconferences in, the ones who do are effectively left out of a significant portion of the meeting. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother) Edited by ben_tilly May 11, 2006, 06:03:45 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #255,053 by jake123 5/11/06 10:49:27 AM Reply	That was exactly my point --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #255,137 by pwhysall 5/11/06 5:55:53 PM Reply	So, to summarise: The only people in a VC meeting are the people in the VC meeting. And the people not in the meeting aren't in the meeting. The needs of the person not in the meeting can be met by a device called a "telephone". Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #255,138 by ben_tilly 5/11/06 6:04:41 PM Reply	That wasn't a summary - that was missing the point. I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #255,140 by pwhysall 5/11/06 6:12:00 PM Reply	No, I didn't. You missed my point that I made in my initial post, which was that sometimes VC won't do, but most of the time, it will. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #255,150 by ben_tilly 5/11/06 6:54:02 PM Reply	Look at who I was responding to I was responding to Bill Patient's post, not yours. In other words I wasn't saying that videoconferencing is not often sufficient, I was saying what videoconferencing doesn't provide that physically being there does. (Besides exposure to people's bad breath.) As for whether videoconferencing is often sufficient, I'd say that that really depends on what you're doing. For instance for a sales person, the act of showing up demonstrates your seriousness. Using videoconferencing suggests that you don't really care. With a big sale, that could be the difference between closing or not closing. Physically shipping sales people around therefore makes a lot of sense. However for trying to sort out project details, I agree that video conferencing is usually enough. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #255,144 by boxley 5/11/06 6:30:46 PM Reply	ICLRPD that wasn't a summary - that was missing the point. (new thread) Created as new thread #255143 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=255143\|ICLRPD that wasn't a summary - that was missing the point.] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 50 years. meep

Executives Take Company Planes as if Their Own - (bluke) - (31) - May 10, 2006, 03:10:08 AM EDT

Boy, is that backwards - (drewk) - (16) - May 10, 2006, 11:11:27 AM EDT

Convert their salaries to wages. - (mmoffitt) - (15) - May 10, 2006, 04:14:42 PM EDT

If you look at it that way, Blue Star Jets makes more sense. - (Another Scott) - (7) - May 10, 2006, 04:29:30 PM EDT

Yes, this is something that should be outsourced - (ben_tilly) - (6) - May 10, 2006, 06:24:04 PM EDT

I've seen this once - (bepatient) - (5) - May 10, 2006, 07:03:00 PM EDT

Wanna bet the chairman made more than 200K? :-P -NT - (ben_tilly) - (4) - May 10, 2006, 08:34:48 PM EDT

Yes he did. I did the budgets. - (bepatient) - (3) - May 10, 2006, 08:42:22 PM EDT

But it was for you. :-P - (ben_tilly) - (2) - May 10, 2006, 08:44:37 PM EDT

Too low on the totem poll to bitch - (bepatient) - (1) - May 10, 2006, 09:21:19 PM EDT

Random thought... - (ben_tilly) - May 16, 2006, 05:05:16 PM EDT

True, but ... - (drewk) - May 10, 2006, 04:43:10 PM EDT

Sorry. No. You are not correct. - (bepatient) - (5) - May 10, 2006, 06:15:18 PM EDT

If time is money, it most certainly is more efficient. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - May 16, 2006, 02:58:21 PM EDT

VLJs are not corporate jets. - (bepatient) - (3) - May 16, 2006, 03:15:40 PM EDT

Now you're completely wrong. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - May 16, 2006, 04:48:37 PM EDT

Not really - (bepatient) - (1) - May 16, 2006, 05:40:09 PM EDT

Or Hawkers, Lears, Cessna Citations, etc. - (mmoffitt) - May 17, 2006, 03:49:02 PM EDT

Two Words - (pwhysall) - (13) - May 11, 2006, 03:03:18 AM EDT

And there are some very cool solutions - (bepatient) - (10) - May 11, 2006, 09:22:19 AM EDT

Two things they lack: - (admin) - (2) - May 11, 2006, 09:44:42 AM EDT

Also, a key element, unacknowledged by many but definitely - (jake123) - May 11, 2006, 09:46:16 AM EDT

Also, could be recorded! -NT - (broomberg) - May 11, 2006, 09:57:09 AM EDT

They are missing some other things as well - (ben_tilly) - (6) - May 11, 2006, 06:03:45 PM EDT

That was exactly my point -NT - (jake123) - May 11, 2006, 10:49:27 AM EDT

So, to summarise: - (pwhysall) - (4) - May 11, 2006, 05:55:53 PM EDT

That wasn't a summary - that was missing the point. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (3) - May 11, 2006, 06:04:41 PM EDT

No, I didn't. - (pwhysall) - (1) - May 11, 2006, 06:12:00 PM EDT

Look at who I was responding to - (ben_tilly) - May 11, 2006, 06:54:02 PM EDT

ICLRPD that wasn't a summary - that was missing the point. (new thread) - (boxley) - May 11, 2006, 06:30:46 PM EDT

Very hard to video conference golf -NT - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - May 12, 2006, 10:15:01 AM EDT

Golden Tee. -NT - (jake123) - May 12, 2006, 10:25:54 AM EDT

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Fighting and romance are weirdly similar in many ways. Two people lock eyes in a crowded room. Everybody can feel the intensity of the emotions between them. One of them suggests that they step outside. “Come on, just you and me.” It starts out dignified, but they end up rolling around, tearing at each other’s clothing.

Also, both fighting and romance tend to look a lot better in movies than they do in real life.
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