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New Letting the UAE run our ports?
Okay, we've all seen the scare quotes. Many of us have hyperventilated and spun conspiracy theories over Bush's determination to let an Arab-owned company run our ports, or something. Some of us have seen the overly protesting pooh-pooh treatment in an editorial on the Financial Times. So what's this all about? Is it a big deal?

Well, the Bush administration thinks it's a big deal, because Dubya is sticking to his guns. Republican politicians think it's a big deal, because they're distancing themselves from him. Democrat politicians think it's a big deal, because they're stooping to the worst race-baiting hypocrisy in order to attack this. But how big a deal is it, really?

A fairly big one, actually. But not for any of the reasons most people are screaming.

First, here's [link|http://www.squiggler.com/2006/02/dubai_port_deal.html|a dose of facts from Squiggler] to help calm down those who are capable of calm. He links to [link|http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2006/02/334311.shtml|Indymedia, of all places].

Excerpt:

The critical point is that Dubai Ports World won't be running the port of Baltimore, or any other U.S. port for that matter. What it would be doing, as ex-Rep. Helen Delich Bentley (R-MD), a respected expert on Maritime matters, explained in a Feb. 18th letter, to the "Baltimore Sun," is hiring the longshoremen to load and unload the cargo from the vessels. The Maryland Port Authority, an agency of the state, she underscored, would continue to "run the port of Baltimore's public terminals and be the spokesman for the port in general." Bentley added that this transaction only means that the "UAE's Dubai Ports World will be the firm bidding competitively for contracts to handle cargo coming off or loading on to ships in the six ports where P&O Ports has contracts. Baltimore is one of those ports." (2)

It is also important to emphasize that the vast majority of the cargo handling in the six U.S. ports mentioned above is done by union labor, who are locally based workers. They are card carrying members of the International Longshorman's Association (AFL-CIO), which is headquartered in New York City. This is the same union, (Local 829 ILA), that this writer belonged to, in Baltimore, back in the late 1950s. The idea that the longshoremen will somehow not be able to do the same kind of highly professional stevedoring work for Dubai, which they did for the P&O company, and other stevedoring companies before them, just doesn't fly. For the ILA member, it will be just another day's work on the docks, irrespective of who's doing the hiring.

I say:

Okay, I feel better now. But not all the way better. I've still got serious misgivings.

One big red flag is Jimmy Carter is coming out in favor of this. Jimmy Carter. Possibly the worst President this country has ever had. He's not just stupid. Even stupid people are right on occasion, by sheer accident. But Jimmy Carter is *never* right. It's as if he sits down to figure just what stance on a given question would do the worst damage to the free world and to the United States, and that's the position he takes. Yes, I'm questioning his patriotism. Would you prefer I question his sanity?

Another detail that bugs me is hardly anyone is asking the big question. What big question? This big question: should foreigners - any foreigners - be in charge of our ports in the first place? National security is one thing you just don't outsource. Not even to the Brits. And the Arabs are way more foreign than the Brits.

Don't talk to me about globalization. I think it's a big mistake to globalize before the world has been made safe for democracy. First, let's have some international rule of law that actually means something. Then we can globalize all we like. Right now the world is a bad neighborhood. Always has been, of course. But only recently have we deluded ourselves otherwise.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the Cold War being over is over. It's not 1992 anymore. We need to face facts.

Our ports should be policed and run by American companies, and should be required by law to hire only American citizens, subject to a background check. I don't trust the unions to look out for us. Unions are weak, and when they're not weak, the Mafia are running them. We need a law.

OH, and by the way... [link|http://www.investors.com/editorial/IBDArticles.asp?artsec=20&artnum=2&issue=20060221|the WMD story is heating up again].



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New re: Bill Tierney
You might want to find a better source than [link|http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Bill_Tierney|Bill Tierney].

Cheers,
Scott.
New We've had foreigners 'in charge' of our ports for years
and I do feel that the furor is more racist in nature than based in fact. But it isn't exactly like that reaction hasn't in some way been earned.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
Expand Edited by bepatient Feb. 22, 2006, 08:20:14 PM EST
New We are at war with an ideology
and the buyers of this contract are adherents to that ideology.
What part of this am I missing?

Oh yeah, $ > sense

other than that?
New Re: We are at war with an ideology
Hi, I am the Egyptian Muslim

First, I wouldn't mind, if the americans were like,
"We don't like how Arabs think, we won't do business with them"
but they don't!

First I doubt you know how we think? 2nd I doubt we know how we think? and I doubt that when we learn how we think, that it will just be one thing.

Also, I doubt that the american are at all serious about any idealogy, which means, I doubt they know how they think.

I think this is just a matter of racist pride, american are okay, if the arabs buy their products, but they seem to hate to buy our products!

But even this isnt exactly true, american seem to like egyptian cotton, and arabian horses, and I know that 10% of egypt exports goes to USA.

So whats the deal here, except maybe irrational hate and fear, mainly due, to the lack of idealogy, not the existance of one.
New Missed my point
The US is currently engaged in a Sisyphean "War on Terror". The other participants in this confict tend to be mid-Eastern muslims.

These would be the same whackos that have been burning buildings and killing people over a cartoon. This behaviour was evidently instigated by governments or religious leaders for their own ends. The same instigation could be used to close or destroy our ports if these governments/leaders got significant control over said ports.

Denying control of the ports to the UAE is not a matter of racism but intelligent self interest. It has nothing to do with Arab thought processes but recent behaviour. Personally, I think the ports are too critical a resource to outsource to anybody.

This last bit:

So whats the deal here, except maybe irrational hate and fear, mainly due, to the lack of idealogy, not the existance of one.
amuses me. What makes you think that people can't think critically without an idealogy? If everybody was muslim, there wouldn't be any need to kill them? It hasn't worked that way in the past, and doesn't appear to be working now.
New Re: Missed my point
If everybody was muslim, there wouldn't be any need to kill them? It hasn't worked that way in the past, and doesn't appear to be working now.
The "amusing" thing here is that the Quran considers Christians and Jews to be "protected peoples". Too bad its followers don't too.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I don't like the fear
inculated and then used by our current administration - but here's another aspect to consider:

Suppose this goes through.

Suppose something 'bad' happens - even if it would have happened anyway, under US supervision.

What do you suppose the US reaction would be?

:-(

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Possibly....
What do you suppose the US reaction would be?


Thank you Mr. Bush for saving us?

(Where's the sign?)
New Welcome aboard.
Hope you stick around, we could use some fresh blood in here. Gotta warn you, you're going to get pounded on, but having an alternative point of view should be interesting. Note that we do pound on each other with regular frequency as well...

Thought I'd offer you these thoughts:

1. I'm agnostic.
2. I have a very strong ideology about what is right and wrong. One of these things that I have a strong belief in is that blind acceptance of faith, without regards to one's fellow people, is dangerous. I don't limit this to Islam; see David Koresh, Aum Shinrikyo, Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, etc.
3. I see in most religions today a conflict between reality and dogma - the conflict appears most intense in Islam, but I see it in most religions, especially religions that derive in some form or another from Christianity.
4. I don't really care who we trade with, as long as the people we trade with treat their people with dignity, respect, and allow those people a free voice to speak their minds, follow their own religions, and choose their own way of behavior, regardless of how distasteful it may be, as long as the safety of others isn't violated.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedoms for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
New He's been here for almost 3 years
Where you been?
New Apparently, not paying attention. :P
New aw, geez...
marlowe's off his fucking meds again.
Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
New And that surprises you how?
jb4
"Every Repbulican who wants to defend Bush on [the expansion of Presidential powers], should be forced to say, 'I wouldn't hesitate to see President Hillary Rodham Clinton have the same authority'."
&mdash an unidentified letter writer to Newsweek on the expansion of executive powers under the Bush administration
     Letting the UAE run our ports? - (marlowe) - (13)
         re: Bill Tierney - (Another Scott)
         We've had foreigners 'in charge' of our ports for years - (bepatient) - (9)
             We are at war with an ideology - (hnick) - (8)
                 Re: We are at war with an ideology - (systems) - (7)
                     Missed my point - (hnick) - (1)
                         Re: Missed my point - (admin)
                     I don't like the fear - (imric) - (1)
                         Possibly.... - (Simon_Jester)
                     Welcome aboard. - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                         He's been here for almost 3 years - (broomberg) - (1)
                             Apparently, not paying attention. :P -NT - (inthane-chan)
         aw, geez... - (rcareaga) - (1)
             And that surprises you how? -NT - (jb4)

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