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Post #2,436

by Fearless Freep

7/20/01 10:38:14 AM

Sorry but...

Nothing Jesus said or did was that shocking, earlier prophets said the same or worse. Paul dramatically changed the whole thing for the worse IMHO

I guess this is where the conversation ends because you've pretty much ignored everything I've posted contrary of this statement. The discussion has been cordial, but ultimately useless, as you've pretty much been saying the same thing over and over without bothering to address the points in opposition to your claims

but I guess it was fun for awhile

Jay O'Connor

"Going places unmapped
to do things unplanned
to people unsuspecting"

Post #2,469

by orion

7/20/01 1:33:17 PM

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions

BOxley has decided that in his opinion, Paul messed things up. It doesn't seem like anything posted here will change that opinion.

I support his right to his opinion even if I do not agree with that opinion. Sure Paul did what he thought was best and he wasn't Jesus, but Jesus had the faith in Paul to do the right thing, and that to me is what counts. It doesn't matter to me if Paul was Jewish or not, Paul was apparently the one that Jesus had chosen to be the witness and spread the word. It seems to me, in my humble opinion, that Paul/Saul was born Jewish, was raised up in Rome and exposed to Roman (gentile) teachings, then saw Jesus and had his life turned around and became as a Jew again, but knew that he had to teach to Jews and Gentiles, the teachings of Jesus. After all, Jesus did heal more than just Jewish people on his travels.

Just my two cents.

"I can see if I want anything done right around here, I'll have to do it myself!"

Moe Howard

Jefferson Bible [Fixed] - (JayMehaffey) - (95) - July 15, 2001, 04:39:57 PM EDT

Please edit link - it's not working. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - July 15, 2001, 01:03:04 PM EDT

The NT according to Ox - (boxley) - (91) - July 15, 2001, 11:36:54 PM EDT

At last - a useable translation! - (Ashton) - (90) - July 16, 2001, 01:48:03 AM EDT

that part was always hard to figure - (boxley) - (89) - July 16, 2001, 08:25:31 AM EDT

Query. - (static) - (87) - July 16, 2001, 08:43:55 AM EDT

Long thread on slezyboard - (boxley) - (86) - July 16, 2001, 10:34:08 AM EDT

Ah. Thanks. -NT - (static) - (85) - July 16, 2001, 09:39:20 PM EDT

heres the part Paul was not born a Jew - (boxley) - (84) - July 16, 2001, 09:58:30 PM EDT

Don't take it completely out of isolation. - (static) - (8) - July 16, 2001, 10:21:57 PM EDT

not to steal Nicks arg but - (boxley) - (4) - July 16, 2001, 10:50:23 PM EDT

Clearly you do not accept Paul's authority. - (static) - (3) - July 17, 2001, 02:10:37 AM EDT

I dont - (boxley) - (2) - July 17, 2001, 10:00:36 AM EDT

But you didn't answer my question. - (static) - (1) - July 17, 2001, 08:56:55 PM EDT

sorry missed the question - (boxley) - July 17, 2001, 11:14:21 PM EDT

More info for you on Paul - (orion) - (2) - July 19, 2001, 05:27:32 PM EDT

Interesting excerpts. Thanks. -NT - (static) - (1) - July 19, 2001, 09:30:50 PM EDT

You are most welcome - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 10:40:30 AM EDT

Bad example - (Fearless Freep) - (74) - July 17, 2001, 01:51:34 PM EDT

Spiritiual Jews? - (orion) - (73) - July 17, 2001, 05:44:43 PM EDT

Just multiply 'your take' by the total number - (Ashton) - July 17, 2001, 07:31:07 PM EDT

Doesn't to me - (Fearless Freep) - (71) - July 17, 2001, 07:48:12 PM EDT

Part of the reason is that we have been - (boxley) - (70) - July 17, 2001, 08:20:10 PM EDT

I agree somewhat - (orion) - (61) - July 18, 2001, 10:43:35 AM EDT

Practically speaking - (Fearless Freep) - July 18, 2001, 11:13:57 AM EDT

Misread - (Fearless Freep) - (9) - July 18, 2001, 11:21:35 AM EDT

slight disagreement - (boxley) - (8) - July 18, 2001, 12:49:35 PM EDT

Don't agree - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - July 18, 2001, 01:00:07 PM EDT

he claimed he was G_d? - (boxley) - (6) - July 18, 2001, 01:48:13 PM EDT

Sure - (Fearless Freep) - (4) - July 18, 2001, 02:25:20 PM EDT

that was chuck's favorite phrase too. - (boxley) - (3) - July 18, 2001, 04:20:11 PM EDT

Pretty far fetched - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - July 18, 2001, 04:47:03 PM EDT

ya dont know too many mystics do ya - (boxley) - (1) - July 18, 2001, 09:37:34 PM EDT

Back on track? - (Fearless Freep) - July 18, 2001, 10:26:42 PM EDT

Re: he claimed he was G_d? - (Fearless Freep) - July 18, 2001, 02:34:41 PM EDT

this might clear up a few misconceptions - (boxley) - (49) - July 18, 2001, 12:46:43 PM EDT

Huh? - (Fearless Freep) - (48) - July 18, 2001, 01:05:13 PM EDT

sorry I was to terse in prior post - (boxley) - (47) - July 18, 2001, 01:57:07 PM EDT

How will you know a true messiah? - (orion) - (1) - July 18, 2001, 04:40:07 PM EDT

Re: How will you know a true messiah? - (bluke) - Aug. 23, 2001, 06:50:23 AM EDT

Re: sorry I was to terse in prior post - (Fearless Freep) - (44) - July 18, 2001, 04:50:10 PM EDT

When you are skeptical of anyone - (orion) - (16) - July 18, 2001, 05:21:22 PM EDT

"The Dwarves are for the Dwarves" - (Fearless Freep) - July 18, 2001, 05:26:20 PM EDT

easy stuff - (boxley) - (14) - July 18, 2001, 09:43:29 PM EDT

So um.... :) - (Fearless Freep) - (13) - July 18, 2001, 11:12:08 PM EDT

need all of them and be decended from David - (boxley) - (11) - July 19, 2001, 08:50:51 AM EDT

Re: need all of them and be decended from David - (Fearless Freep) - (10) - July 19, 2001, 01:37:18 PM EDT

no problemo - (boxley) - (5) - July 19, 2001, 02:48:57 PM EDT

Jesus is supposed to come back - (orion) - (4) - July 19, 2001, 04:32:40 PM EDT

If you look at every religion - (boxley) - (3) - July 20, 2001, 08:49:57 AM EDT

Sorry but... - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 10:38:14 AM EDT

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 01:33:17 PM EDT

This is the way it is in the world - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 01:26:38 PM EDT

Re: need all of them and be decended from David - (bluke) - (3) - Aug. 23, 2001, 06:57:40 AM EDT

Re: need all of them and be decended from David - (Fearless Freep) - (2) - Aug. 23, 2001, 01:35:12 PM EDT

With all due respect... - (bluke) - (1) - Aug. 26, 2001, 03:18:16 AM EDT

Nonsense. - (addison) - Aug. 27, 2001, 01:25:05 AM EDT

What is the basis for the Second Coming? - (bluke) - Aug. 23, 2001, 07:02:40 AM EDT

thats not the problem - (boxley) - (26) - July 18, 2001, 09:45:37 PM EDT

Ah. - (static) - (25) - July 19, 2001, 01:51:09 AM EDT

No I believe he rose from the dead - (boxley) - (24) - July 19, 2001, 08:53:13 AM EDT

At least you believe that - (orion) - (1) - July 19, 2001, 10:56:23 AM EDT

like elijah and moses - (boxley) - July 19, 2001, 12:31:14 PM EDT

Huh? - (Fearless Freep) - (4) - July 19, 2001, 01:48:54 PM EDT

my bad I was thinking of Elijah and assumed moses - (boxley) - (3) - July 19, 2001, 02:55:00 PM EDT

In the NT, Jesus spoke with both of them - (orion) - (2) - July 19, 2001, 04:35:46 PM EDT

Re: In the NT, Jesus spoke with both of them - (Fearless Freep) - (1) - July 19, 2001, 04:51:12 PM EDT

Conference call with Moses and Elijah - (orion) - July 19, 2001, 05:04:51 PM EDT

Uh. Right. - (static) - (16) - July 19, 2001, 09:27:30 PM EDT

The Brothers Karamazov covers aspects of this too... :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - July 19, 2001, 11:24:49 PM EDT

question - (boxley) - (14) - July 20, 2001, 10:39:34 AM EDT

Re: question - (Fearless Freep) - (12) - July 20, 2001, 10:48:59 AM EDT

the law that G_d handed down - (boxley) - (11) - July 20, 2001, 11:35:54 AM EDT

Also don't forget - (orion) - (2) - July 20, 2001, 01:37:42 PM EDT

not new but went back home -m -NT - (boxley) - (1) - July 20, 2001, 02:03:05 PM EDT

Went back home - (orion) - July 20, 2001, 04:18:30 PM EDT

Sorry - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - July 20, 2001, 07:16:04 PM EDT

Amen to that! :) -NT - (a6l6e6x) - July 20, 2001, 09:15:07 PM EDT

kinda sorta this is what I was looking for - (boxley) - (5) - July 20, 2001, 10:54:06 PM EDT

Good advice for anyone IMO - (Steve Lowe) - July 21, 2001, 01:15:03 AM EDT

That's the problem - (Fearless Freep) - (3) - July 21, 2001, 02:15:28 AM EDT

must have missed something - (boxley) - (2) - July 21, 2001, 09:32:12 PM EDT

Some links. - (Another Scott) - (1) - July 22, 2001, 12:59:34 PM EDT

I see he was foretelling his resurection - (boxley) - July 22, 2001, 07:44:10 PM EDT

Answer. - (static) - July 21, 2001, 02:34:27 AM EDT

Nope - (Fearless Freep) - (7) - July 18, 2001, 11:11:35 AM EDT

Well, that's the general human condition - (mhuber) - (6) - July 18, 2001, 11:54:34 AM EDT

Trivial - (Fearless Freep) - (5) - July 18, 2001, 12:00:23 PM EDT

hey Im a miracle! -NT - (boxley) - (3) - July 18, 2001, 12:37:36 PM EDT

So am I then. - (orion) - (2) - July 18, 2001, 04:45:30 PM EDT

Then in truth - (Ashton) - (1) - July 18, 2001, 10:42:52 PM EDT

I get what life and G_d gives me - (orion) - July 19, 2001, 11:05:06 AM EDT

Heh.. nicely put :-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton) - July 18, 2001, 03:35:53 PM EDT

Re: that part was always hard to figure - (Fearless Freep) - July 16, 2001, 08:59:47 AM EDT

Curious and yet familiar, all the same. - (static) - (1) - July 16, 2001, 08:12:49 AM EDT

"Either God or a Bad Man" ... - (Fearless Freep) - July 16, 2001, 08:25:28 AM EDT

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