Post #228,416
10/6/05 12:49:34 PM
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And their "thoughts" were rejected outright
when they even breathed mention of it before.
There are no beer halls inside the beltway. While you have adequate incentive to distrust these blowhards, you are seriously over-estimating their support base and their ability to destroy the foundations of the government.
Again, this is all opinion. And you certainly have the 1930s example to fall back on...but what is present now that was not then is the information machine. IMO, that makes a HUGE difference in the capability of this administration to overthrow the establishments of the government and seize authoritarian power.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #228,422
10/6/05 1:31:06 PM
10/6/05 1:33:14 PM
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Bill -
This administration has been the most poisonous thing to ever try and kill off the Constitution.
They are already seizing authoritarian power.
They have suspended 'due process' at the will of the executive branch.
They've already made noises about 'delaying' elections. Due to thier own 'threat level' warnings. Justified how? We'll NEVER know - after all, this is the most secretive administration in HISTORY. Now they are talking about quarantines enforced by the military. Essentially martial law - for a medical threat that is unrealized. Note that they aren't talking about major boosts to general medical infrastructure - just controlling the citizenry with troops. After all, military force is the answer to all problems.
They are making ready to limit internet communication regarding politics.
This administration has called anyone that disagrees with them treasonous, while commiting treason for political reason is justified at the highest levels. Tell me what moral restraint this government is going to have that will prevent it from just keeping the powers it has seized. Hmm. Maybe they will just lie about the reasons for doing so - nah, the Neocons would NEVER lie about something as serious as war or emergency powers, would they?
No, things are different now, I guess it really can't happen here.
Riiiight.
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] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
Oct. 6, 2005, 01:33:14 PM EDT
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Post #228,424
10/6/05 1:37:35 PM
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You have a right to your paranoia
But you are talking about things made mention in some circles as possibilities as if they are decided fact.
They have not limited internet speech re: politics. They have not passed any required rules to establish martial law anywhere.
Due process suspension for "enemy combatants" is being picked apart by the courts. Good try GWB, but within a couple of years that issue will be done.
So, you can rail me all you like for not sharing in your paranoia. It may or may not be justified.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #228,426
10/6/05 1:49:34 PM
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Did I say it was a done deal?
I am pointing down the road that we ARE headed down. I am listening to things that our rulers ARE saying.
If I thought this was done, I would have disappeared. It is only the fact that they aren't finished yet that I am opening up my mouth.
The fact that the noose is not yet tight doesn't mean that the Republic isn't being marched up the gallows stairs, though.
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #228,460
10/6/05 3:52:07 PM
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If we wait for them to do it - it's too late.
The time to scream about this stuff is now.
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Post #228,530
10/6/05 9:19:06 PM
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When does paranoia become ... 'prescience', in such matters?
Assessing any extrapolation, prediction of large consequence - always raises this emotional, thus inseparable-component of every huge choice - such as reforms one's subsequent attitude.
Take the semi-jocular bet amongst physicists re Alamogordo:
Will the energy release ignite atmospheric Nitrogen..? or not?
(There were - some decent formulas from which to assign a few probabilities: the threat was eventually deemed 'virtually nil' - I think Teller was one of the re-calculators, but it's been a while..)
Well -??- just How 'virtually'-nil ??
before a 'small-chance' of such a horror trumps an
itching desire to Find Out if something works?
Surely there are political parallels as, say? a trend towards the cancelling-out the local rule of law? Of increased keeping of dossiers via new techno, of evident and unprecedented secrecy = even from Day1 ... ...
disdain for .. (say, just: for many things which folks do Not disdain?)
At what stage does the assigned label Change?
Because if St Imric's Day should ever come to be celebrated
(alongside St. Leibowitz's?) `~~ we. missed. the. 'staging'.
Quickie Litmus for any US citizen?
A) A kiloton or so goes off in LA.
(Assume merely a perfect paperless trail sans cel-fones and bills of lading)
B) Whom and How Soon - do you *think, right now* shall be Nuked next by US?
C) Do you believe that the US/ under this cabal Would refrain from a next Instant Gratification?
D) Long... Enough...?
Not-to [fill in stages - - - > towards spasm exchanges; nuke + ALL 'misc.']
Gotta Love this species. Or something.
It'll debate the meticulous means for its seppuku -
Do a linear regression analysis vs "My Image IF.."
- and then try it out.
Final partial-thoughts of man#(n-1): I... Was... RIGH - - - -
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Post #228,531
10/6/05 9:24:05 PM
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C'mon
Why not put it under the Gate.
LA is so...cliche.
And who would you suggest that we would nuke in retaliation? How about the Germans. Its always their fault, right?
At least with you, I don't expect a reality play.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #228,533
10/6/05 9:29:40 PM
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Never happen in LA
All the likely players who'd want to do it would end up killing thousands of their own people.
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Post #228,534
10/6/05 9:31:41 PM
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And previously, this has stopped them when?
I don't think they care.
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Post #228,535
10/6/05 9:43:45 PM
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Signs, signs, everywhere signs
Except in my previous post, where I didn't think it was needed.
[image|/forums/images/warning.png|0|This is sarcasm...]
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Post #228,537
10/6/05 9:55:31 PM
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Sorry, my bad.
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Post #228,549
10/6/05 11:08:44 PM
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St. Imric's Day? God forbid on so MANY levels...
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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[link|http://www.mepis.com|[image|http://www.mepislovers-wiki.org/mepislovers/downloads/mepis-buttons/getmepis_computer-1.png||||]]
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Post #228,556
10/7/05 12:01:03 AM
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Ever read 'A Canticle for Leibowitz'? :-\ufffd
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Post #228,563
10/7/05 12:23:19 AM
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Of course, man!
But... St. Imric's Day? So wrong. So... Wrong.
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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[link|http://www.mepis.com|[image|http://www.mepislovers-wiki.org/mepislovers/downloads/mepis-buttons/getmepis_computer-1.png||||]]
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Post #228,576
10/7/05 3:07:24 AM
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Well, your Ascension would come at Great Cost!
A) You were right.
B) Everyone believed, It Can't Happen Here (cha cha cha)
and, sadly
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C) Ya only gets the title, quite posthumously, when the mutants are sorting through the rubble and come upon your annotated PDP-8 Pocket Reference Card with '7402' underlined in red (with the nekkid snap of Britney on the back) and the Post-It saying,
"Pick up bread, halvah and some crystal meth at Guido's."
{sniff}
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Post #228,589
10/7/05 6:57:32 AM
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Nonsense!
It would be an RPG Template!
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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[link|http://www.mepis.com|[image|http://www.mepislovers-wiki.org/mepislovers/downloads/mepis-buttons/getmepis_computer-1.png||||]]
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Post #228,619
10/7/05 11:47:33 AM
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a relic!
1 case 420
2 cans cat food
sword parts
pick up beep
I shall rush it to the monastary immediately for the bishop's perusal
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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Post #228,630
10/7/05 12:53:20 PM
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*grin*
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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[link|http://www.mepis.com|[image|http://www.mepislovers-wiki.org/mepislovers/downloads/mepis-buttons/getmepis_computer-1.png||||]]
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Post #228,633
10/7/05 1:33:09 PM
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dear me...a QUEST!
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #228,635
10/7/05 1:39:29 PM
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..."you wake up,"...
[link|http://www.runningworks.com|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
|
Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
|
[link|http://www.mepis.com|[image|http://www.mepislovers-wiki.org/mepislovers/downloads/mepis-buttons/getmepis_computer-1.png||||]]
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Post #228,642
10/7/05 3:21:57 PM
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As with the petunias
Oh, no, not again.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #228,705
10/8/05 2:00:09 PM
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Wonder if Ground wants to be friends with me? Hello, Ground!
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Post #228,449
10/6/05 3:22:06 PM
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OK, I have to refute this one statement
>There are no beer halls inside the beltway.
[link|http://www.webtrek.com/~dcbeer/brewpubs.html|http://www.webtrek.c...eer/brewpubs.html]
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #228,462
10/6/05 3:53:52 PM
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There's also the Brickskeller
Not a brew pub, but they have 500 beers on tap.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #228,475
10/6/05 4:28:15 PM
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From someone who I'm sure was there
and if not, you missed it...[link|http://www.oktobearfest.com/images/Germany/OktoBEARfest%202004/5%20Bicycling%20and%20Hofbrauhaus/Beer%20Hall.jpg|there aren't any of these.]
Brewpubs are nothing by comparison.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #228,484
10/6/05 4:41:25 PM
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Yup, and in the olden days . . .
. . they were built with a slope and ditches running down under the tables so you didn't have to stop your beer drinking for any reason.
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