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New Reach for the sky, varmit!
[link|http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20050929/ts_alt_afp/afplifestyleflorida_050929191421|http://news.yahoo.co...rida_050929191421]

"Welcome to Florida, but avoid arguments or thanks to a new law you run the risk of getting shot, according to an ad campaign launched by a gun-control group.

The campaign coincides with a state law that enters into effect authorizing gun owners to shoot anyone in a public area who they believe threaten their safety."

"Governor Jeb Bush described it as a "good, common sense, anti-crime issue" when he signed it into law."



Note to self...stay away from Florida.

New Why, do you often accost strangers and make them fear for
thier safety?

Do you often threaten them with bodily harm?

Is that how you like to have fun on vacation?

If so: note to self. Stay away from dmcarls.
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


New Point taken.
I'll avoid flippancy in future posts.
New Well, if anticipating that some may be a bit slow..
there's always this [image|/forums/images/warning.png|0|This is sarcasm...]




..but it's a bit like imagining a need for a disclaimer ~

CAUTION! you may have to think about this, for a few seconds ... after ... reading - and we wouldn't want you to have to waste that time (as, on the posts where it isn't actually necessary) er, cha ch

New Right, because...
They're also introducing a new type of bullet that homes in strictly on the target, completely avoiding all innocent bystanders.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Oh, yeah.
such a law MUST authorize firing into crowds for trivial reasons, too.
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


New Doesn't need a crowd for a miss to hit someone else.
This is why firing ranges have large hills behind the targets.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New By my reading of it
I'm allowed to shoot the president and his entire administration.

The campaign coincides with a state law that enters into effect authorizing gun owners to shoot anyone in a public area who they believe threaten their safety."



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New I'm sure that's what the law says. Exactly that.
Phrased that way. Yup. Uh-huh.
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


New Well, uh, ya see...
...them niggers wuz intimidating me by, ya know, bein' BLACK.

So I shot 'em.


Peter
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New well, they would then be shooting back at you so
gun control is important, hit what you aim at.
thanx,
bill
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New Re: well, they would then be shooting back at you so
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Hey! if dmcarls happens to be one of those...
...long-hair wearing, hippy looking, communist talking, librul leaning, Rush bashing, president doubting, athiest expousing, foreign-car driving, abortion rights supporting, flag-burning pinkos, then I, as a right thinking, NRA loving, gun toting, Florida residing follower of Brother John Birch am perfectly within my perview (what ever that means) to fear for my way of life in his presence, so I might just have to blast the livin' shit outta him just to keep me and my family (doncha know!) safe.

And if he's black, well...just having that in my mere presence is a clear and present threat!



(Dude, when was the last time you were in Florida outside of 10 miles of Miami-Dade? Not recently, I'd reckon!)
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New My you ARE a bigoted fellow.
Bigoted against law-abiding citizens that choose to excersise thier rights as law-abiding citizens. You go to lengths to paint gun-owners as barely civilised louts slavering to kill, revealing, your own bigotry and prejudice, of course.

If it was as you are painting it, ya know what? This law wouldn't make a bit of difference.
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


New Why, thank you! Thankyewverramuch!
I'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip your waitresses!
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New No no no no NO!
... just to keep me and my family (doncha know!) safe.
Your chillllllllll-dren. Nobody gives a shit about you or your wife. It's all about the chillens.
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New Does anybody know what the law actually says?
I've seen radically conflicting understandings of what this law actually says and means. But so far, nothing I've seen has actually referenced the law itself.

I've got pro-gun groups saying it's basic self defense, and anti-gun groups saying it's a liscense to kill. And nothing really inbetween.

It's probably another example of how poor American media is that none of the reporters seem to care what the law itself says, they just repeat what advocacy groups from either side spout.

Jay
New Links to the Florida laws here.
[link|http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/StateLaws.aspx?ST=FL|Here]. At the bottom is a list of the various statues. Using those numbers, go [link|http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?Tab=statutes&submenu=1|here] to find the text of the laws.

Note that I don't know if the text at the Florida site has been updated.

Happy hunting. :-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New 776.013
[link|http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/Sec013.HTM|http://www.leg.state...Ch0776/Sec013.HTM]

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
--
Chris Altmann
New Let's clarify that...
If you are not breaking the law, have a right to be where you are, are being attacked, and reasonably believe that if you do not apply force then you or someone else will be injured or killed, then you have the right to respond with force or deadly force.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Or Treason
[link|http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0776/SEC08.HTM&Title=->2005->Ch0776->Section%2008#0776.08|http://www.leg.state...tion%2008#0776.08]

776.08 Forcible felony.--"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
--
Chris Altmann
New Hey man, you're Treasoning me! Eat lead!!! :-/
New ...ya just Outed a CIA agent ! _____ .oO BLAM! Oo.

New Re: stay away from Florida
Met some Ontarians this past June who will do exactly that for that very reason. These snowbirds used to winter in Florida and now will do so on the Georgia coast.
Alex

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell
New bummer, now if they had done that when I lived in florida
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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     Reach for the sky, varmit! - (dmcarls) - (24)
         Why, do you often accost strangers and make them fear for - (imric) - (14)
             Point taken. - (dmcarls) - (1)
                 Well, if anticipating that some may be a bit slow.. - (Ashton)
             Right, because... - (admin) - (2)
                 Oh, yeah. - (imric) - (1)
                     Doesn't need a crowd for a miss to hit someone else. - (admin)
             By my reading of it - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                 I'm sure that's what the law says. Exactly that. - (imric)
             Well, uh, ya see... - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 well, they would then be shooting back at you so - (boxley) - (1)
                     Re: well, they would then be shooting back at you so -NT - (jb4)
             Hey! if dmcarls happens to be one of those... - (jb4) - (3)
                 My you ARE a bigoted fellow. - (imric) - (1)
                     Why, thank you! Thankyewverramuch! - (jb4)
                 No no no no NO! - (drewk)
         Does anybody know what the law actually says? - (JayMehaffey) - (6)
             Links to the Florida laws here. - (Another Scott) - (5)
                 776.013 - (altmann) - (4)
                     Let's clarify that... - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                         Or Treason - (altmann) - (2)
                             Hey man, you're Treasoning me! Eat lead!!! :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 ...ya just Outed a CIA agent ! _____ .oO BLAM! Oo. -NT - (Ashton)
         Re: stay away from Florida - (a6l6e6x) - (1)
             bummer, now if they had done that when I lived in florida -NT - (boxley)

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