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Post #220,009 by ChrisR 8/18/05 8:19:55 PM Reply	Speaking of Joel Cincom has a comment about [link\|http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3301840809\|Joel's BDUF methodology]. :-)
Post #220,013 by Another Scott 8/18/05 8:30:31 PM Reply	:-D
Post #220,017 by ben_tilly 8/18/05 9:01:26 PM Reply	Exactly, but as with much about Joel... his misunderstandings are understandable. Many of them are shaped by his experience at Microsoft. Which mostly means that he misunderstands many things in a Microsoft-centric way. But it sometimes means other things. For example at Microsoft his job, back when he was technical, was to produce design specs for Microsoft Excel. Having had the job of producing a big design up front, he is going to have a certain emotional commitment to the idea that this is a worthwhile thing to do. To be fair, big design up front clearly was the right thing to do for a company like Microsoft which was shipping shrinkwrap and had large costs for each new rev that they put out. The idea of a weekly rev with incremental feedback would have simply not worked. However the barrier that you have is that people usually can't really tell how much they like something before they see it in action. Which is why fast prototypes and incremental development help design out. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Looks like the honeymoon is over. - (tuberculosis) - (46) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:53:01 AM EDT

Shit. - (pwhysall) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:59:00 AM EDT

Gah. Isn't it time for some more good news? -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:59:39 AM EDT

I'm sorry Todd - (Nightowl) - Aug. 18, 2005, 02:20:12 AM EDT

:( Sorry to hear that, man. -NT - (Steve Lowe) - Aug. 18, 2005, 03:19:37 AM EDT

Hate this crap. - (Ashton) - Aug. 18, 2005, 03:42:05 AM EDT

Crap. Sorry to hear it. Luck to you. -NT - (Silverlock) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:41:06 AM EDT

So you're out, or it looks like you're going to be out? - (admin) - (15) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:19:05 AM EDT

I'm set up to fail - (tuberculosis) - (14) - Aug. 18, 2005, 09:54:39 AM EDT

Sucks - (broomberg) - (12) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:22:23 AM EDT

I no longer buy into management fad of the month - (tuberculosis) - (11) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:22:31 PM EDT

I agree non essential after hr poo sniffing not required -NT - (boxley) - (3) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:27:05 PM EDT

I'd love to see that line on a job posting -NT - (drewk) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:49:39 PM EDT

whoops, see below - (imqwerky) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:56:28 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (imqwerky) - Aug. 18, 2005, 12:55:38 PM EDT

Stick it out as long as you need to - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 18, 2005, 04:16:38 PM EDT

That is the current plan - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 18, 2005, 07:45:45 PM EDT

:-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:28:23 PM EDT

On the cheese book - (pwhysall) - Aug. 18, 2005, 11:28:12 PM EDT

Speaking of Joel - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:19:55 PM EDT

:-D -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:30:31 PM EDT

Exactly, but as with much about Joel... - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 18, 2005, 09:01:26 PM EDT

Gah. - (admin) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:35:39 AM EDT

Hang in there. Luck with the search! -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:21:51 AM EDT

Well, damn. - (inthane-chan) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:36:19 AM EDT

Look on the bright side - (JayMehaffey) - Aug. 18, 2005, 08:45:23 AM EDT

oh Todd- I cant believe it! - (bionerd) - Aug. 18, 2005, 09:16:36 AM EDT

well hope tech in that area is hiring, - (boxley) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:10:29 AM EDT

Really sorry to hear about that Todd - (jake123) - Aug. 18, 2005, 01:05:06 PM EDT

K-rap. Sorry to hear that. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Aug. 18, 2005, 02:12:10 PM EDT

Damn! - (jb4) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:33:34 PM EDT

Sorry man. Hang in 'til you're over some place soft to drop. -NT - (hnick) - Aug. 18, 2005, 06:53:40 PM EDT

Sorry it's over. - (a6l6e6x) - (3) - Aug. 18, 2005, 09:06:07 PM EDT

Yeah...lemme know if you find something "back home" in NM -NT - (jb4) - Aug. 18, 2005, 10:36:47 PM EDT

I've only been in this house a little over a month - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2005, 12:40:45 AM EDT

Cringers flossed. Hope you get to keep the boat commute. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 19, 2005, 12:45:54 AM EDT

Good luck and best wishes - (imqwerky) - Aug. 19, 2005, 12:48:06 AM EDT

ouch. hope you find something better suited to you close by -NT - (cforde) - Aug. 19, 2005, 11:27:37 AM EDT

That's a little misleading. - (pwhysall) - (8) - Aug. 20, 2005, 01:43:36 AM EDT

Yeah, well.... - (broomberg) - (4) - Aug. 20, 2005, 01:47:36 AM EDT

Chuckle of the day. - (Steve Lowe) - (3) - Aug. 20, 2005, 01:49:05 AM EDT

I have The Picture. - (pwhysall) - Aug. 20, 2005, 01:53:13 AM EDT

Hey, my boss takes care of me - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2005, 02:30:07 AM EDT

I don't think our definitions match - (Steve Lowe) - Aug. 20, 2005, 02:37:08 AM EDT

Think so? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2005, 03:46:26 PM EDT

Any possibility of internal transfer? - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Sept. 6, 2005, 08:34:15 AM EDT

Working on it -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:37:25 AM EDT

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