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Post #201,319
by ben_tilly
3/30/05 4:53:14 PM
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New As others have pointed out, that is Opera's fault
The relevant standards to make Ajax work are several years old. What is new is that developers have decided that the installed base is big enough to actually try to take advantage of them.

Microsoft actually doesn't like this, because the applications coming out are smooth enough that they can replace desktop applications, and there is no tie-in to Windows here.

Cheers,
Ben
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Post #201,334
by tuberculosis
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3/30/05 9:12:07 PM
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New What's funny about that
is that MS was one of the early adopters with their Outlook web client. They did a great job of reproducing the desktop experience. In some ways they exceeded the desktop app (not that this is any real trick).



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Post #201,343
by pwhysall
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3/31/05 12:53:54 AM
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New Re: What's funny about that
In what way did they exceed the desktop app? I use OWA regularly and detest it because it's cack. I'd be interested to know if it's got hidden depths.

Peter
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     Dynamic web apps vs rich clients - (bluke) - (53) - March 29, 2005, 06:42:12 AM EST
         I hope it does. - (pwhysall) - March 29, 2005, 07:07:21 AM EST
         I'm telling ya, gotta move back to VB/Delphi model - (tablizer) - (40) - March 30, 2005, 04:45:33 AM EST
             Yeah. - (pwhysall) - (38) - March 30, 2005, 06:01:24 AM EST
                 Try this. - (mmoffitt) - March 30, 2005, 08:12:36 AM EST
                 Well, if we can fiat SCGUI into existence... - (ChrisR) - March 30, 2005, 08:36:08 AM EST
                 I meant in general -NT - (tablizer) - (35) - April 13, 2005, 03:44:48 AM EDT
                     The idea sucks in general, too. -NT - (pwhysall) - (34) - April 13, 2005, 07:18:07 AM EDT
                         you were vague on why it "sucked" -NT - (tablizer) - (33) - April 16, 2005, 04:00:43 PM EDT
                             I have a Mac. Or a Linux box. Or an Amiga. Or a toaster. - (pwhysall) - (32) - April 17, 2005, 02:35:22 PM EDT
                                 Cross-platform is an implementation detail -NT - (tablizer) - (5) - April 17, 2005, 11:26:44 PM EDT
                                     A detail that requires... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - April 17, 2005, 11:49:49 PM EDT
                                         But not RealBasic. -NT - (mmoffitt) - April 18, 2005, 04:10:02 PM EDT
                                     The point is... - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 18, 2005, 01:38:58 AM EDT
                                         For varying- and IMO insufficient- def'ns of "sufficiently". -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 05:32:48 AM EDT
                                             What is that you can't do in a web browser... - (pwhysall) - April 18, 2005, 07:29:14 AM EDT
                                 Bullshit. - (CRConrad) - (25) - April 18, 2005, 05:32:26 AM EDT
                                     You're so LITERAL, CRC. - (pwhysall) - (24) - April 18, 2005, 07:25:11 AM EDT
                                         Yeah, well, sorry; we can't all be illiterate, I guess... - (CRConrad) - (23) - April 18, 2005, 08:40:59 AM EDT
                                             Re: Yeah, well, sorry; we can't all be illiterate, I guess.. - (admin) - (12) - April 18, 2005, 09:03:55 AM EDT
                                                 Most sub-giga-RAM boxes I've used J-apps on, it's still SLOW -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 09:23:35 AM EDT
                                                     Just like there are bad UIs in some VB programs... -NT - (admin) - April 18, 2005, 10:13:00 AM EDT
                                                 Slow at what? - (tuberculosis) - (7) - April 18, 2005, 12:51:46 PM EDT
                                                     Re: Slow at what? - (admin) - (6) - April 18, 2005, 01:31:15 PM EDT
                                                         OpenOffice Win32 is a turtle. :-( - (Another Scott) - (5) - April 18, 2005, 02:18:45 PM EDT
                                                             I'm not talking about Windows. - (admin) - (4) - April 18, 2005, 03:45:06 PM EDT
                                                                 Your IDEA launches considerably faster than mine - (tuberculosis) - (3) - April 18, 2005, 04:20:03 PM EDT
                                                                     He is TEH ADMIN, remember. - (pwhysall) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 04:22:25 PM EDT
                                                                         :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - April 18, 2005, 04:25:38 PM EDT
                                                                     Must be your encouraging mental field... -NT - (admin) - April 18, 2005, 06:11:15 PM EDT
                                                 Not slow? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 04:14:48 PM EDT
                                                     Yeah, that's bad code. - (admin) - April 18, 2005, 04:18:09 PM EDT
                                             So, to summarise: - (pwhysall) - (2) - April 18, 2005, 10:26:22 AM EDT
                                                 Which VB? - (ChrisR) - (1) - April 18, 2005, 10:43:54 AM EDT
                                                     Ask CRC, he's the one with a stiffy for it :-) -NT - (pwhysall) - April 18, 2005, 10:49:04 AM EDT
                                             Eat shit, a billion flies can't be wrong - (ben_tilly) - (6) - April 18, 2005, 02:45:24 PM EDT
                                                 Sheesh, man... it's obvious that some of us can, though. - (CRConrad) - (5) - April 19, 2005, 03:33:11 AM EDT
                                                     I can read just fine. - (ben_tilly) - (4) - April 19, 2005, 11:31:04 AM EDT
                                                         Yep, I still think so. - (CRConrad) - (3) - April 20, 2005, 08:56:55 AM EDT
                                                             You've clearly not encountered that line before - (ben_tilly) - (2) - April 20, 2005, 09:21:37 AM EDT
                                                                 Oh, POAD, you whiney ars...rectum. - (CRConrad) - (1) - April 20, 2005, 09:48:41 AM EDT
                                                                     Definitely not before I could read... - (ben_tilly) - April 20, 2005, 11:24:49 AM EDT
             Notice how the mention of Turing pins everyone's bogometer -NT - (FuManChu) - March 30, 2005, 10:55:24 AM EST
         Going for the extinguish part? - (warmachine) - (9) - March 30, 2005, 07:43:21 AM EST
             Have you used gmail or google maps? - (ben_tilly) - (8) - March 30, 2005, 10:39:52 AM EST
                 Alas, Opera ain't fully supported - (warmachine) - (6) - March 30, 2005, 10:58:59 AM EST
                     Microsoft is developing Ajax? Buh? - (admin) - March 30, 2005, 11:46:09 AM EST
                     You mean that Opera doesn't fully support standards - (tuberculosis) - (1) - March 30, 2005, 12:15:40 PM EST
                         Question about JS and Firefox (new thread) - (jb4) - March 31, 2005, 10:45:11 AM EST
                     As others have pointed out, that is Opera's fault - (ben_tilly) - (2) - March 30, 2005, 04:53:14 PM EST
                         What's funny about that - (tuberculosis) - (1) - March 30, 2005, 09:12:07 PM EST
                             Re: What's funny about that - (pwhysall) - March 31, 2005, 12:53:54 AM EST
                 NONONONONO - (pwhysall) - March 30, 2005, 11:29:06 AM EST
         Shrug...rich clients aren't going anywhere - (Simon_Jester) - March 30, 2005, 04:37:51 PM EST

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