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New Re: Moron
One can learn the mechanics of a language by reading the reference materials. Becoming conversant requires going beyond the references and learning the idioms. That means finding competent programmers and reading their code, and building up a set of examplars so that you don't have to reinvent from first principles whenever you run into a problem that you've seen solved cleanly before.

That works for me. Maybe it's different for you.

But if you're reading that to mean a general preference for "copy/paste", then perhaps I didn't choose my words with sufficient care, or perhaps you are reading more into what I wrote than the evidence supports.

Having a spelling posse works too, since mine isn't that good.
New Hey, that's not what your blog says!
I agree with what you say here, and that you need both 1/2s.

Reading code that other people wrote, especially with comments that OTHER people wrote in it, is the perfect way to learn. But ONLY after you have invested enough time with reference material and a bit of tutorial so what you read has a chance of being understood.

I interview and tech phone screen a lot of people. I read your link on interviewing, and I certainly agree with that. I do a slightly simpler version my self, but it starts with some silly syntax questions so I get a baseline of where people are, and then I ask them to produce a very simple filter script. Just as key to the code itself is what types of questions they ask me during the process.

Ben whipped it out in a single line, vs my 1/2 dozen or so. I have people who struggle for 20 minutes, come up with a couple of pages of crap, and it is obvious they learned (COBOL|BASIC|Pascal|C|C++|random crap) long ago, and are now writing it in Perl.

My interview doesn't hit that section until about 20-40 minutes depending on the flow, and then I have a few more minutes.

Including prep / review email, a typical interview costs me about an 1.5 hours. I've probably been bitten by 100 people in the last 5 years who don't know crap, but managed to get past the headhunter and HR to my interview, which means I lost 150 hours on them.

I want those 150 hours back!!!

(whine, whine, whine)
     Fedora Core 3 vs your Apache/Unix expectations - (ben_tilly) - (46)
         What a whiner. - (broomberg) - (39)
             If you know that it is the issue -NT - (ben_tilly) - (27)
                 The old chestnut about the retired guru - (drewk) - (25)
                     Nah - (broomberg) - (24)
                         You're being an asshole. Inappropriately. - (ben_tilly) - (23)
                             Oh boy, I've insulted a saint - (broomberg) - (14)
                                 How many machines have you installed/tweaked lately? - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                                     And now you've hit another of my hot buttons - (broomberg) - (12)
                                         That's getting to be like a game - (ben_tilly)
                                         Re: And now you've hit another of my hot buttons - (dws) - (10)
                                             3rd(?) Post and... - (pwhysall)
                                             Reading for comprehension - (broomberg) - (8)
                                                 AHHHhhhh. - (folkert) - (7)
                                                     Machismo? - (broomberg) - (6)
                                                         But can you wear boots? -NT - (drewk) - (5)
                                                             How did you get an 'NT' flag? - (broomberg) - (4)
                                                                 Easy. -NT - (Another Scott) - (3)
                                                                     arrg let him figger it out himself!! -NT - (boxley) - (2)
                                                                         A boxley blog? Somehow, I don't think that's a good thing.. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                                                             easy blog, just link back to here -NT - (boxley)
                             No, no he isn't. He's being realistic. - (folkert) - (6)
                                 Why yes, I do - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                                     And why should we believe you? - (drewk) - (3)
                                         Or there is no such thing as 2 5ths in an ordered list! - (broomberg) - (1)
                                             /me ROTFLMAO -NT - (folkert)
                                         Gah -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                     I liked the original version better. ;-j -NT - (Another Scott)
                             Did he find the problem? - (boxley)
                 During the Fedora install process... - (ubernostrum)
             Re: What a whiner. - (dws) - (10)
                 No whiner - I was wrong - (broomberg) - (9)
                     No worries - (dws) - (2)
                         BTW, from one whom usually - (folkert)
                         ICLRPD - (ben_tilly)
                     Oops - (dws) - (5)
                         You found it. - (Another Scott)
                         *Z* is forever... FOREVAR! HAHAHAHAHH! -NT - (folkert)
                         No delete - (broomberg) - (2)
                             hew-haw, hee-haw.... :-P -NT - (folkert)
                             Boy I'm glad - (imric)
         Moron - (broomberg) - (4)
             Let's see - (jake123)
             Yes, I know him. You're complete offbase. - (ben_tilly)
             Re: Moron - (dws) - (1)
                 Hey, that's not what your blog says! - (broomberg)
         Well, it is official... on CNET. - (folkert)

What?!? They don't trust you with their knobs?!?
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