Post #196,794
3/1/05 1:54:00 PM
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Wireless question
Hello all.
I have a question about getting onto the wireless bandwagon. I have at home a PC running SmoothWall. It currently has 2 NICs - one goes to DSL modem, one to a 4-port hub. I want to add wireless access to the network. Two questions:
1) what shoudl I buy to turn the wireless network into essentially another hub in my setup? I don't want the wireless part to do any roputing or DHCP, just carry IP as part of my 192.168 network, the same way my 4-port hub does now.
2) and should I worry enough to feed that hub off Orange zone (DMZ) in the SmoothWall?
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Post #196,799
3/1/05 2:12:51 PM
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WAP
You want a Wireless Access Point. I'd plug it in your hub, actually I'd upgrade the hub to a switch, then plug it in there. ;-) Set up 128bit WEP on the access point and clients, and change the key about once a week. Running on the orange interface of the smoothwall will offer a little protection to the rest of your LAN should someone crack your key, but won't help the wireless LAN itself at all. A good way to secure wireless traffic is to setup and use a VPN to connect to the LAN.
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Post #196,830
3/1/05 5:25:47 PM
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Well, it's intelligent hub
so I do get 100 Mb for each pair. I'll survive w/o switch for now.
Yes, I was actually thinking about protecting wired from wireless, not protecting wireless itself. Th emachines that go on wireless will be the work laptop (I don't care about it, MIS is supposed to keep it secure (yeah, right) and may be a pure browser machine later on - no data there at all.
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?
-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein
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Post #196,811
3/1/05 3:49:24 PM
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Re: Wireless question
[link|http://shopper.cnet.com/Netgear_WG602_54Mbps_wireless_access_point/4014-3265_9-30423702.html?tag=pl&q=|Get this.] Plug it in. There are others. I've had D-link also. I have Belkin now but hte LEDs click so I don't recommend it (though it works fine).
Get a card, any card.
You're there.
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Post #196,831
3/1/05 5:29:01 PM
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I have a 2.4 GHz wireless phone in the house
Will it cause a lot of interference?
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?
-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein
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Post #196,833
3/1/05 5:41:46 PM
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Re: I have a 2.4 GHz wireless phone in the house
Yes, it uses the same frequency band.
Try to get an old 900 MHz if you can still find one. (Mainly because they're cheap.)
Otherwise look for a 5.x GHz phone
We ended up doing this in my apartment, where I have 802.11g.
Tom Sinclair
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Post #196,835
3/1/05 6:04:45 PM
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Unless
You use DSL. I've gotten warnings about that and possible interference from 900mhz phones before....
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Post #196,851
3/1/05 9:08:43 PM
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Hmmmm
Haven't heard that.
I have DSL, connected to my Airport Extreme base station, which acts as a NAT/DHCP/Wireless bridge box for my home LAN. We used to have a 900 MHz phone and didn't have a problem. (Doesn't mean that said problems don't exist, though.)
I agree with an earlier suggestion to get a switch, though. I was having problems (low data rates) using a hub on the wired segment of the network and when I replaced it with a switch, I got significant improvement. Besides, switches are getting really cheap these days.
Tom Sinclair
"This is a lovely party," said the Bursar to a chair, "I wish I was here."
-- The Bursar is a man under a *lot* of stress
(Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies)
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Post #196,817
3/1/05 4:16:48 PM
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Mostly I use . .
. . the Linksys wireless Cable/DSL router with 4-port switch. Others like other brands but this one has worked OK for me. You don't have to use the cable/DSL port at all, just use it as a switch, or you can have it route through the Cable/DSL port to any other network.
I used one to route between two 192.168.n.n networks in a case where the client didn't want most of his network able to access the accounting network but wanted accounting to have access to the same Internet connection as everyone else.
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Post #196,826
3/1/05 5:15:42 PM
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I'd put the WAP between the modem and the hub
The docs with mine (WAP + 4-port router) said putting the router after the hub would cause problems. Two switches, fine, two hubs, fine, but not switch after hub.
Besides, the farther upstream you put the switch the more you can segment your traffic. If you put the hub right after the modem, all your traffic gets broadcast to all segments. If you put a switch/router first you limit the traffic to each subsequent segment.
Take this with salt appropriate to the fact I just spent 3 days setting up my new wireless network.
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Post #196,832
3/1/05 5:37:56 PM
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Re: Wireless question
If you get a typical LinkSys or similar router it will
have 4 ports for wired connections and you shouldn't need
the hub at all, just replace with router
you can assign the IPs you need and turn off DHCP and
be ready to roll
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Post #196,834
3/1/05 5:57:04 PM
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Here's how I do it.
They say a picture's worth a thousand words. That's not always true.
In the home, keeping it simple is paramount; you are the network administrator. Don't make a rod for your own back.
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Post #196,836
3/1/05 6:08:15 PM
3/1/05 6:09:31 PM
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How's that work
when serving things to the outside world? Well? You'd have to forward twice; do java applets freak, for example? (had that happen once long ago when I was experimenting with them long ago in a similar setup) I'm not trying to be a smartass for once, I'm curious whether it makes a difference.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Edited by imric
March 1, 2005, 06:09:31 PM EST
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Post #196,837
3/1/05 6:12:39 PM
3/1/05 6:13:56 PM
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Re: How's that work
The SB4100 is transparent to the WBR2-54G.
As far as the router is concerned, the SB4100 is the internet.
Peter
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Edited by pwhysall
March 1, 2005, 06:13:56 PM EST
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Post #196,838
3/1/05 6:19:33 PM
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Nice. OK.
The problem back then could have been my setup, of course. I had my own rules via a Linux firewall/router, and I'm far from an iptables guru.
[link|http://forfree.sytes.net|
] Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #196,850
3/1/05 9:06:24 PM
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Three words for you
VNC through SSH
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?
-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein
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Post #196,883
3/2/05 1:28:11 AM
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I do that.
Well, apart from the SSH part. Although I can SSH into my server if need be.
And host my own web server, and mail server, and UT2K4 server (on occasion). If the Dell is running Windows, I tend to use RDP; it's more network-efficient than VNC.
Peter
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Post #196,903
3/2/05 9:55:55 AM
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I use the SSH server on firewall
to tunnel to VNC on windows box.
If I replace the firewall with a "brick", I'd have to expose Windows ports to teh internet. I don't trust Windows IP stack that much.
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?
-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein
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Post #196,905
3/2/05 10:18:20 AM
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No, you wouldn't.
I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from.
Peter
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Post #201,245
3/30/05 11:45:29 AM
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Picture IS worth 1024 words
Thanks Peter. Your picture shows the way I had imagnined setting up my system (see [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=201240|here]). I also note that you are using a 10.x.x.x address, which is a) different from the 192.168.x.x schemes that everyone else who posted here seems to want to use, and b) more to my liking (and experience).
Thanx!
jb4
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Post #201,247
3/30/05 11:48:31 AM
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The reason I use a 10 address?
Less typing and it looks nicer.
Peter
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Post #201,251
3/30/05 11:57:03 AM
3/30/05 11:57:29 AM
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:-) why am I not surprised?
Hey, aesthetics are important!
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
Edited by jb4
March 30, 2005, 11:57:29 AM EST
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Post #201,265
3/30/05 12:21:01 PM
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Personally, I always us 192.168.200.n . . .
. . and a router (gateway) address of .97 or .98. This lets me tell at a glance whether I set it up or someone else did.
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