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Post #194,964 by jake123 2/16/05 11:45:45 AM Reply	Oh, I don't know One thing they can't do is really secure it. One part driving the growing adoption of Moz is tabs... but the other part is not getting any more of that farkin' spyware, and as beep pointed out, they can't fix it without doing a major rewrite of the OS, and esp. of Win32. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #194,978 by drewk 2/16/05 12:19:31 PM Reply	But how do you show that? I've installed Firefox on a couple of friends' systems. How long do they have to use it before they realize, "Hey, you know what? I haven't noticed any popups in a while." I haven't heard back yet, so I don't know. And weigh that against how many sites exclude them because the UserAgent doesn't say IE? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #194,986 by jake123 2/16/05 12:48:14 PM Reply	You don't OTOH, all the people up here that I've spoken with are taking it up for different reasons. It's not the tabs that is being stated as the reason.... nobody says "I installed firefox so I could get tabs"; it's all "I installed firefox so I could get rid of the bullshit." The word is out there; people have come to associate IE with uncontrollable bullshit, while firefox lets you have the control. Among the folks up here (and believe me, they're not all cognoscenti; some are so far from cognoscenti that the light from cognoscenti will take a million years to reach them) IE is seen as a tool to allow the user to be marketed to, much like television, while firefox allows them to control what and how much gonzo marketing leaks in; they can control popups, whether they get them, who they get them from, etc, while IE seems to be oriented to making sure that you get the advert, whether you want it or not. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #194,988 by Andrew Grygus 2/16/05 1:01:56 PM Reply	Tabbed browsing? what's that? Not a feature my clients aren't particularly interested in. They aren't even that interested in pop-up supression, though they like it. Basically, they're desperate. I have to charge them $150 to $200 a wack to strip parasites off (and that's not nearly enough for the effort) and they don't want to see me back a week later. The Los Angeles Times had a feature article a few weeks ago on people abandoning Internet use because they simply can't afford it. They're paying $300 a pop to get their machines cleaned AND often losing all their data in the process because larger computer service companies can't afford staff skilled enough to really clean up a machine for a mere $300. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]

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