Post #194,919
2/16/05 5:49:40 AM
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New version of IE coming
but only for Windows XP SP2. It is still not clear what features it will have.
[link|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6973740/|Microsoft plans new version of browser]
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Post #194,922
2/16/05 6:57:58 AM
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On past performance...
...it'll suck, but it'll suck faster than the competition.
Peter
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Post #194,927
2/16/05 7:30:01 AM
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IE6 == IE5 reskinned plus oogly features and
IE7 will be very similar being IE5 reskinned with Coolio dynamic skins with cool Anti-ActiveX ActiveX countermeasures to keep them from being changed by websites.
NOT only THAT... but RealTime Dynamic Content Rendering (RTDCR) of websites, with Enhanced MS-XML Intelligent-Tags to enhance your "Web Experience" with Special IIS only served XML-exec commands.
Plus, New MS-XML Super-Duty "Really Works"™ Bad guy protection... err Protection from Bad Guys... yeah. For an additional Cost of course, you know how hard it is to keep Windows secure!
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Post #194,939
2/16/05 10:04:16 AM
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Predictable MS feature set
Standard MS Upgrade Marketing Slogan: It sucks less than it used to. (Though sometimes they manage to even screw up that feature).
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Post #194,949
2/16/05 10:56:37 AM
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From what little I've seen on the subject...
...the features all seem related to spyware and malware.
Speaking of which, the popup blocker on the XP SP2 should not have blocked sites from using IFRAMES within a page. An IFRAME is not a popup - it's just a place within the current window.
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Post #194,941
2/16/05 10:24:03 AM
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Tabs
Cause they can't fix any of the other problems without an OS rewrite.
That'd be my guess...that they think Firefox is only cool cause of the tabs.
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Post #194,961
2/16/05 11:38:22 AM
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I think you've probably got it.
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Post #194,963
2/16/05 11:42:26 AM
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And the sad part is ...
They're probably counting on most users thinking the same thing. And they're probably right.
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Post #194,964
2/16/05 11:45:45 AM
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Oh, I don't know
One thing they can't do is really secure it. One part driving the growing adoption of Moz is tabs... but the other part is not getting any more of that farkin' spyware, and as beep pointed out, they can't fix it without doing a major rewrite of the OS, and esp. of Win32.
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Post #194,978
2/16/05 12:19:31 PM
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But how do you show that?
I've installed Firefox on a couple of friends' systems. How long do they have to use it before they realize, "Hey, you know what? I haven't noticed any popups in a while." I haven't heard back yet, so I don't know. And weigh that against how many sites exclude them because the UserAgent doesn't say IE?
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Post #194,986
2/16/05 12:48:14 PM
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You don't
OTOH, all the people up here that I've spoken with are taking it up for different reasons. It's not the tabs that is being stated as the reason.... nobody says "I installed firefox so I could get tabs"; it's all "I installed firefox so I could get rid of the bullshit."
The word is out there; people have come to associate IE with uncontrollable bullshit, while firefox lets you have the control. Among the folks up here (and believe me, they're not all cognoscenti; some are so far from cognoscenti that the light from cognoscenti will take a million years to reach them) IE is seen as a tool to allow the user to be marketed to, much like television, while firefox allows them to control what and how much gonzo marketing leaks in; they can control popups, whether they get them, who they get them from, etc, while IE seems to be oriented to making sure that you get the advert, whether you want it or not.
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Post #194,988
2/16/05 1:01:56 PM
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Tabbed browsing? what's that?
Not a feature my clients aren't particularly interested in. They aren't even that interested in pop-up supression, though they like it.
Basically, they're desperate. I have to charge them $150 to $200 a wack to strip parasites off (and that's not nearly enough for the effort) and they don't want to see me back a week later.
The Los Angeles Times had a feature article a few weeks ago on people abandoning Internet use because they simply can't afford it. They're paying $300 a pop to get their machines cleaned AND often losing all their data in the process because larger computer service companies can't afford staff skilled enough to really clean up a machine for a mere $300.
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Post #194,985
2/16/05 12:44:18 PM
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Firefox gets used around here for development
Mainly for the cookie management and the Web Developer toolbar. Yes, I know this has nothing to do with Joe User, but it's a data point at least.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #194,993
2/16/05 1:25:04 PM
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Around here
we're working to support
firefox because we wanna
ie because we gotta
safari because we oughtta
Everything else we're calling "lucky if it works".
This is for the new dhtml/js features we're working on.
Very wizzy stuff.
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Post #194,994
2/16/05 1:26:09 PM
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Huh, I never use tabs
can't get used to em
"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein
"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
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Post #195,106
2/17/05 4:14:35 AM
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I have an opposite problem.
I hate using anything other than Opera because I use the mouse-gestures so much. *Everytime* I use IE or FireFox I forget that Right+Left click doesn't work to go back a page... :-(
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #195,113
2/17/05 8:12:24 AM
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I saw at least two mouse gesture extensions for Firefox
[link|https://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&category=Navigation|https://update.mozil...tegory=Navigation]
They might be worth investigating.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #195,267
2/17/05 7:06:16 PM
2/17/05 7:06:30 PM
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But they don't come with it by default. :-)
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Edited by static
Feb. 17, 2005, 07:06:30 PM EST
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