We should conform to the herd mentality?

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Post #18,103

11/13/01 3:51:14 PM

We should conform to the herd mentality?

>>Might want to look at the polls son...the average joe doesn't seem to be
>>nearly as pissed off about it as you are...and we can't govern based on
>>outliers.

Outliers? You mean like those people who would not "sacrifice essential liberty for a little security"?

Given the choice between the frightened, uneducated masses and Benjamin Franklin, I'll stay with Ben any time, any day, anywhere.

Post #18,121

Picture of bepatient

11/13/01 4:26:55 PM

Conform?

You're governed by committee. Get used to it. (of >the people<, by >the people<, for >the people<)

You can yell and scream...and when you're right...you'll be heard...because there are others who share your beliefs that, like you, will fight.

BUT...to approach this situation as if Ashcroft is doing this soley because he is some evil, power hungry, rights denying lunatic is just as absurd as expecting that government can operate by acting upon the individual beliefs of its members...and not the collective will.

And I said, the "most egregious of these new measures"...which should, I would hope, translate to you that I don't necessarily agree with them all either.

In much the same vein, I don't agree with all of the policies of the group that will end up having many of these new policies declared unconstitutional.

You need to temper yourself with a bit of reality.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! _{Laurie Anderson}

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]

Hmmm. The pres says they "hate freedom" - (Silverlock) - (125) - Nov. 13, 2001, 11:19:41 AM EST

Gutting of the Constitution - (screamer) - (122) - Nov. 13, 2001, 01:42:05 PM EST

If you really feel that way... - (Silverlock) - (75) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:40:01 PM EST

As I believe has been noted before. - (Brandioch) - (21) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:37:27 PM EST

Actually things were different in WW1 and WW2 - (wharris2) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:58:59 PM EST

Minor difference... - (bepatient) - (19) - Nov. 13, 2001, 04:40:48 PM EST

Why not? - (Brandioch) - (18) - Nov. 13, 2001, 06:27:26 PM EST

Your decided.. - (bepatient) - (17) - Nov. 14, 2001, 09:35:06 AM EST

Reality isn't your forte. - (Brandioch) - (16) - Nov. 14, 2001, 06:20:09 PM EST

Never dealt in real estate, eh? - (bepatient) - (14) - Nov. 15, 2001, 09:02:42 AM EST

Historical side note... - (inthane-chan) - (3) - Nov. 15, 2001, 12:32:28 PM EST

And I'd bet... - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2001, 01:47:40 PM EST

You got it. - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 15, 2001, 01:53:01 PM EST

Re: Historical side note... - (Steve Lowe) - Nov. 15, 2001, 02:54:15 PM EST

Why the switch? - (Brandioch) - (9) - Nov. 15, 2001, 05:43:48 PM EST

Are you really.... - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 15, 2001, 06:00:35 PM EST

You left out a few. - (Brandioch) - (6) - Nov. 15, 2001, 08:23:51 PM EST

Wiretap Osama? - (wharris2) - Nov. 15, 2001, 08:27:01 PM EST

Yawn -NT - (bepatient) - (4) - Nov. 15, 2001, 08:28:54 PM EST

What a fscking stupid non-response - (CRConrad) - (3) - Nov. 20, 2001, 09:57:22 PM EST

To a continued - (bepatient) - (2) - Nov. 21, 2001, 09:39:06 AM EST

C'mon BeeP - missing *all* the common denominators? - (Ashton) - (1) - Nov. 21, 2001, 04:06:22 PM EST

I can't help blindness. - (bepatient) - Nov. 21, 2001, 04:16:29 PM EST

actually...not that I care... - (Simon_Jester) - Nov. 15, 2001, 11:33:54 PM EST

FWIW - (admin) - Nov. 15, 2001, 09:26:59 AM EST

Clarification... - (screamer) - (52) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:42:25 PM EST

Classic use of fallacy - (Silverlock) - (32) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:51:30 PM EST

Classic use of phallus... - (screamer) - (31) - Nov. 13, 2001, 04:21:04 PM EST

Consistency not one of your strong points? - (Silverlock) - (15) - Nov. 13, 2001, 04:29:50 PM EST

Nahh. the pic is an insult to Zippy - (Ashton) - Nov. 13, 2001, 05:14:09 PM EST

Intelligence not one of yours? - (screamer) - (13) - Nov. 13, 2001, 11:36:10 PM EST

Evidently not - (Silverlock) - (12) - Nov. 14, 2001, 08:39:16 AM EST

I'm not done with you yet. - (screamer) - Nov. 14, 2001, 10:14:59 AM EST

One more thing... - (screamer) - (10) - Nov. 14, 2001, 10:37:29 AM EST

Ok, I'll explain - (Silverlock) - (9) - Nov. 14, 2001, 11:27:24 AM EST

We're getting there... - (screamer) - (8) - Nov. 14, 2001, 12:41:33 PM EST

Refreshing - (Silverlock) - (7) - Nov. 14, 2001, 01:11:15 PM EST

Point taken... - (screamer) - (6) - Nov. 14, 2001, 02:27:46 PM EST

Putting it to rest. - (Silverlock) - (5) - Nov. 14, 2001, 02:37:39 PM EST

PS to both. - (Ashton) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2001, 04:05:20 PM EST

Pomposity buster - (Silverlock) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2001, 04:33:19 PM EST

Yes.. of Course! Timeless and entirely *current* - (Ashton) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2001, 05:02:36 PM EST

Okay, Okay.... I'll bite... - (screamer) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2001, 05:13:28 PM EST

nope there is a girl in my soup - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2001, 10:40:35 PM EST

If you can't keep up, take notes. - (jb4) - (14) - Nov. 14, 2001, 06:38:22 PM EST

Exqueeze me... Noodle man... - (screamer) - (13) - Nov. 15, 2001, 09:58:54 AM EST

Re: Exqueeze me... Noodle man... - (jb4) - (12) - Nov. 15, 2001, 02:16:30 PM EST

I guess that also extends the right... - (inthane-chan) - (8) - Nov. 15, 2001, 02:43:32 PM EST

You got it pal... - (screamer) - (7) - Nov. 15, 2001, 04:09:14 PM EST

Which is why... - (inthane-chan) - (6) - Nov. 15, 2001, 04:28:54 PM EST

Which is absolute and total bullshit... - (screamer) - (5) - Nov. 15, 2001, 05:18:20 PM EST

No, I see the correlation. - (inthane-chan) - (3) - Nov. 15, 2001, 05:29:54 PM EST

It's becoming a lovefest... :-) - (screamer) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2001, 06:14:17 PM EST

No more beer comments, I assure you. :P -NT - (inthane-chan) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2001, 07:11:27 PM EST

But ya know... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 15, 2001, 09:36:31 PM EST

WARNING - red-herring alert! - (jb4) - Nov. 15, 2001, 06:48:10 PM EST

You don't need a license to smoke... - (screamer) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2001, 04:17:34 PM EST

Actually, I agree... - (jb4) - Nov. 15, 2001, 06:50:21 PM EST

Or: Everything not prohibited is compulsory. -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2001, 08:11:31 PM EST

Jeez Scream-ful One - I be so *ashamed* - (Ashton) - (18) - Nov. 13, 2001, 05:03:59 PM EST

My, my, my... - (screamer) - (17) - Nov. 13, 2001, 11:26:12 PM EST

Not my ox. That died some time ago. - (Ashton) - (16) - Nov. 14, 2001, 04:07:30 AM EST

L&COL... - (screamer) - (15) - Nov. 14, 2001, 09:57:19 AM EST

Will be on same side of barricades.. - (Ashton) - (13) - Nov. 14, 2001, 04:48:00 PM EST

Hey - <lightbulb on> - does this mean the expression... - (CRConrad) - (12) - Nov. 14, 2001, 07:54:14 PM EST

Ya gotta watch that incipient Alzheimers.. - (Ashton) - (11) - Nov. 14, 2001, 08:14:49 PM EST

Er - (Ashton) - Nov. 14, 2001, 08:18:01 PM EST

I think that was only the whole word I saw then? - (CRConrad) - (7) - Nov. 16, 2001, 09:13:21 AM EST

Heh.. forgot what -- er, what you said is prolly correct :-) -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 16, 2001, 03:41:36 PM EST

Not that we should... - (CRConrad) - (5) - Nov. 16, 2001, 07:27:43 PM EST

Not sure what you're unsure about. Also: need New Word! - (Ashton) - (4) - Nov. 20, 2001, 08:47:50 PM EST

Ashcroft has at least a temporary setback. - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2001, 09:18:33 PM EST

The mob is very loud, though. A small step for a man - (Ashton) - Nov. 20, 2001, 09:46:09 PM EST

About whether the idiom *actu-really does* refer to the car. -NT - (CRConrad) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2001, 10:00:11 PM EST

It do: less'n they lied to a little kid :( -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 20, 2001, 10:22:55 PM EST

The real D\ufffdsey -- - (Ric Locke) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2001, 09:08:08 PM EST

Huh? Of course I did; that may be *why* I could correct him. -NT - (CRConrad) - Nov. 20, 2001, 07:01:34 PM EST

aaactuually aahm ver found of - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2001, 10:46:20 PM EST

But what job is that? - (jb4) - (40) - Nov. 13, 2001, 02:02:45 PM EST

Huh? - (bepatient) - (39) - Nov. 13, 2001, 02:54:33 PM EST

We should conform to the herd mentality? - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:51:14 PM EST

Conform? - (bepatient) - Nov. 13, 2001, 04:26:55 PM EST

And another thing... - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:54:02 PM EST

Now >that< was funny. -NT - (bepatient) - Nov. 13, 2001, 04:20:34 PM EST

Er Beep: they use *Corporate money*. Umm - get it? - (Ashton) - (6) - Nov. 13, 2001, 05:25:38 PM EST

Uh...yeah...I do - (bepatient) - (5) - Nov. 14, 2001, 09:37:39 AM EST

If you accept what they hand you, you deserve what you get. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2001, 09:55:36 AM EST

Who said anything about blind acceptance? - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2001, 09:58:46 AM EST

Last was restricted to your "Reality" post. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2001, 10:43:50 AM EST

Hardly. -NT - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2001, 10:50:08 AM EST

Umm.. if this-all really *were* - (Ashton) - Nov. 14, 2001, 05:25:03 PM EST

Yer damn RIGHT I think they use their own money! - (jb4) - (27) - Nov. 15, 2001, 06:51:55 PM EST

Ah...so.... - (bepatient) - (26) - Nov. 15, 2001, 04:07:13 PM EST

I'm too lazy to look up link and Name this official fallacy - (Ashton) - (9) - Nov. 15, 2001, 06:56:05 PM EST

Why me? - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 15, 2001, 07:20:42 PM EST

Because.. - (Ashton) - (7) - Nov. 15, 2001, 08:31:07 PM EST

All I did... - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 15, 2001, 09:41:56 PM EST

Well___OK___ demi-Supreme Evil then. What - no solutions ?? -NT - (Ashton) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2001, 10:03:50 PM EST

42 - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2001, 10:23:39 PM EST

8\ufffd - It's *always* about Sex, in the End. -NT - (Ashton) - Nov. 15, 2001, 11:35:29 PM EST

Challenging a red-herring...how quaint. - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2001, 09:17:29 AM EST

Nah... - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2001, 09:27:19 AM EST

OK, but as far as a Left Fielder goes... - (jb4) - Nov. 19, 2001, 09:26:19 AM EST

Counterexamples? - (jb4) - (15) - Nov. 15, 2001, 06:57:08 PM EST

Everyone else. - (bepatient) - (14) - Nov. 15, 2001, 07:22:33 PM EST

Re: Everyone else. - (jb4) - (13) - Nov. 16, 2001, 09:11:28 AM EST

Ok...your obvious counter... - (bepatient) - (12) - Nov. 16, 2001, 09:43:14 AM EST

Wow! Beep: so ya got the germ of a Solution after all? ;-) - (Ashton) - (11) - Nov. 16, 2001, 03:57:39 PM EST

Actually... - (bepatient) - (10) - Nov. 16, 2001, 04:22:59 PM EST

OK - it's time to come Clean. - (Ashton) - (9) - Nov. 16, 2001, 05:39:29 PM EST

I certainly understand >that< aspect... - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 16, 2001, 06:05:54 PM EST

OK. I see it's about Religious Faith in [Boxes] of any kind. - (Ashton) - (7) - Nov. 16, 2001, 08:12:27 PM EST

Well since you continually seem to be missing my point... - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 16, 2001, 08:19:32 PM EST

This mini thread - (Steve Lowe) - (5) - Nov. 17, 2001, 12:18:50 AM EST

Impasse. Future Fork. - (Ashton) - (4) - Nov. 17, 2001, 04:29:53 PM EST

No...that was NOT my response. - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 17, 2001, 04:52:39 PM EST

I'll concede your phrasing there. And raise you. - (Ashton) - (2) - Nov. 17, 2001, 05:45:25 PM EST

Entropy just went up. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Oct. 30, 2002, 02:00:02 PM EST

Entropy decreased. - (Ashton) - Oct. 30, 2002, 06:19:36 PM EST

That's right... - (Simon_Jester) - (4) - Nov. 14, 2001, 12:12:10 PM EST

Let's let it die... - (screamer) - (3) - Nov. 14, 2001, 12:53:57 PM EST

of course... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2001, 02:50:59 PM EST

In the immortal words of Rodney King... - (screamer) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2001, 05:11:47 PM EST

Where's my 11 million? - (bepatient) - Nov. 14, 2001, 05:14:19 PM EST

I've been immersed in my own work lately - (gtall) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:08:30 PM EST

expanded wire tapping, detention without charges - (Silverlock) - Nov. 13, 2001, 03:17:10 PM EST

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