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Post #17,833
by a6l6e6x
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11/12/01 5:43:10 AM
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New Somewhat OT: world flood
This past week there was a National Geographic show on PBS (so it must be true :)) about what is now the Black Sea and how it was once a much smaller fresh water lake that was rapidly flooded from the Med around 5500 BC. It is thought likely to be the cataclysmic event that has been passed down to us as Noah's flood.

[link|http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2000/12/122800blacksea.html|National Geographic link.]
Alex
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
Post #17,838
by ben_tilly
11/12/01 6:24:38 AM
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New There are no shortage of candidates...
for a local flood that could give rise to stories of the Great Flood. The flooding of the Black Sea. The eruption of Thera. There is even evidence of an asteroid impact crater.

Plenty of devout Christians I have known believe that the Old Testament is a humanly recorded history of a people who had encounters with the Divine. There is no conflict between believing that the history created and maintained by people is fallible, and believing that it documents extraordinary events. And as soon as you open the door for this belief, you open up all sorts of possible reconciliations between science and the Bible. A particularly commonly cited one being that a local flood could give rise to the story of Noah's Ark.

Of course as soon as you think that the record is fallible, there are all sorts of difficult questions about what in particular is likely to be wrong. Fundamentalists generally don't like questions like these. It is far more convenient to just have the Revealed Truth which you can use to club backsliders and atheists with...

Cheers,
Ben
     Troglodytes alive in Alabama. - (a6l6e6x) - (56) - Nov. 10, 2001, 05:11:44 PM EST
         S'OK Massa: I'd like to see some stickers too - - (Ashton) - Nov. 10, 2001, 05:42:06 PM EST
         I put one like that on my copy of Meyer's OOSC2 - (tablizer) - (1) - Nov. 10, 2001, 08:35:18 PM EST
             Math got Gallileo[sic?] into trouble - (jb4) - Nov. 13, 2001, 08:46:41 AM EST
         Whilst it remains controversial... - (static) - (47) - Nov. 11, 2001, 05:22:21 AM EST
             But it's *not* controversial. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 11, 2001, 05:40:24 AM EST
                 Well, no it is, actually. - (static) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2001, 06:39:55 AM EST
                     No it isn't. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 11, 2001, 09:50:03 AM EST
                 Re: But it's *not* controversial. - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 11, 2001, 11:25:47 AM EST
                 Correction: - (tonytib) - Nov. 11, 2001, 12:51:50 PM EST
             It is NOT controversial - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2001, 04:18:54 PM EST
                 It's a M/Soft kinda thing, isn't it? - (Ashton) - Nov. 11, 2001, 04:55:56 PM EST
             And out of the woodwork they come! - (static) - (38) - Nov. 11, 2001, 05:59:10 PM EST
                 "Problems", sure, but that's not 'coz it's "controversial". - (CRConrad) - (26) - Nov. 11, 2001, 06:51:14 PM EST
                     I guess it's very POV specific. Makes it hard to agree. -NT - (static) - (23) - Nov. 11, 2001, 07:04:51 PM EST
                         Nope, it's quite simple, non-POV-specific, and universal: - (CRConrad) - (22) - Nov. 11, 2001, 07:13:53 PM EST
                             That is going too far - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Nov. 11, 2001, 08:43:03 PM EST
                                 Sigh... Bend over backwards in your own posts; dont tack... - (CRConrad) - (2) - Nov. 12, 2001, 10:16:49 AM EST
                                     Reasonableness is in the eye of the beholder - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2001, 07:11:11 PM EST
                                         My take. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 12, 2001, 11:18:11 PM EST
                             Creation as a scientific theory - (tablizer) - (17) - Nov. 12, 2001, 01:44:43 PM EST
                                 But how does the Great Turtle move? - (Silverlock) - (16) - Nov. 12, 2001, 02:42:37 PM EST
                                     Waiting for Val. - (Brandioch) - Nov. 12, 2001, 04:57:28 PM EST
                                     In the beginning, there was this turtle... - (bepatient) - (13) - Nov. 12, 2001, 08:34:38 PM EST
                                         Or was it.. - (bepatient) - Nov. 12, 2001, 11:05:00 PM EST
                                         I was hoping there was at least... - (jb4) - (11) - Nov. 13, 2001, 08:57:08 AM EST
                                             Check your PBS listings for end November, early December - (bepatient) - (10) - Nov. 13, 2001, 12:18:17 PM EST
                                                 WWWWWOOOOWWWWW!! - (jb4) - (9) - Nov. 13, 2001, 01:44:28 PM EST
                                                     I already have it programmed to tape :-) - (bepatient) - (8) - Nov. 13, 2001, 02:58:29 PM EST
                                                         If ya think of it BeeP, please give a shout later.. - (Ashton) - (7) - Nov. 13, 2001, 06:28:17 PM EST
                                                             I shall try to remember... - (bepatient) - (6) - Nov. 14, 2001, 09:40:47 AM EST
                                                                 "Deep in December, it's nice to remember..." - (CRConrad) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2001, 09:56:57 AM EST
                                                                     Damn CRC.. - (Ashton) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2001, 06:25:06 PM EST
                                                                         Afghan Hell, Afghan Hell, Bombing all the way... - (Meerkat) - Nov. 14, 2001, 07:01:17 PM EST
                                                                 So.......when is it??? -NT - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2001, 02:08:16 PM EST
                                                                     Oh...alright... - (bepatient) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2001, 02:34:21 PM EST
                                                                         Thank you...So marked! -NT - (jb4) - Nov. 15, 2001, 06:43:36 PM EST
                                     The Turtle Moves! - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 12, 2001, 09:10:55 PM EST
                     I dunno, Sir Cyclic... - (jb4) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2001, 08:52:34 AM EST
                         I can see you didn't see: "Brassed Off" !! (ie: wrong!) - (Ashton) - Nov. 13, 2001, 02:43:59 PM EST
                 Better asked, how can I put this? - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Nov. 11, 2001, 09:04:38 PM EST
                     Well there is a way for the earth to be new - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2001, 09:47:44 PM EST
                         Every new toy is made out of old stuff. :-) - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 11, 2001, 11:05:51 PM EST
                     Somewhat OT: world flood - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2001, 05:43:10 AM EST
                         There are no shortage of candidates... - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 12, 2001, 06:24:38 AM EST
                     You're arguing the wrong point. - (static) - (5) - Nov. 12, 2001, 07:38:10 PM EST
                         Some of the conclusions that *what* arrives at? - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Nov. 12, 2001, 08:05:18 PM EST
                             Yep. Precisely. In spades. Most definitely. - (static) - (3) - Nov. 12, 2001, 08:14:11 PM EST
                                 "IWETHEY's Terrible Horde of Enigmatic Yammerers." Proof! - (Ashton) - Nov. 12, 2001, 08:27:33 PM EST
                                 Quite possibly... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2001, 09:03:59 PM EST
                                     Ah. Noted. - (static) - Nov. 12, 2001, 10:25:53 PM EST
             Let's take a different tack... - (Another Scott) - Nov. 12, 2001, 12:50:06 AM EST
         Agreement from the Annals of Improbable Research - (drewk) - (4) - Nov. 16, 2001, 01:33:17 PM EST
             OT for Drew - (Silverlock) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2001, 01:57:24 PM EST
                 Sure - (drewk) - (2) - Nov. 16, 2001, 02:04:49 PM EST
                     Not a size problem - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 16, 2001, 02:18:59 PM EST
                         It's just forwarding - (drewk) - Nov. 19, 2001, 11:20:22 AM EST

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