Bill is right

Post #17,651 by pwhysall 11/10/01 12:37:35 AM Reply	Bill is right You can have all the software solutions you like, but nothing works like putting the PC in the livingroom. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #17,660 by Andrew Grygus 11/10/01 1:40:05 AM Reply	In the houses you and I live in . . . . that might be practical, but the computer must be exiled to an upstairs den because it would clash with the living room decore. The living room is also rather too large for really intimate supervision. You just don't understand what the rich must suffer through. But practically, there are several significant issues that would remain: unsupervised time, lack of maningful security in Windows 95/98/Me, and accidentally discovering things which are cleverly placed, named and linked to make the probability of accidental discovery as likely as possible. Suppose the kid accidentally stumbles into one of those porn traps where hitting the back button just gets you more cascading Windows of more of the same? Yes, I still delight in the distress of a former client, a very Christian woman, who, after a day of Internet use, found her desktop wallpaper had mysteriously changed to an image of naked bodies peforming "unnatural acts". [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #17,689 by inthane-chan 11/10/01 4:39:00 PM Reply	Well, I'll take issue with that... Yes, I still delight in the distress of a former client, a very Christian woman, who, after a day of Internet use, found her desktop wallpaper had mysteriously changed to an image of naked bodies peforming "unnatural acts". The very fact that the word "unnatural" exists shows a fundamental flaw in our species' thought processes. What, you thought I was going to take issue with you? ^_^ "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Post #17,693 by Ashton 11/10/01 5:45:04 PM Reply	'Unnatural' == unPuritan, at core. Simple. HTH
Post #17,697 by Another Scott 11/10/01 6:43:28 PM Reply	I'm probably wrong, but... couldn't you set up a proxy (?) server that would be the interface between the wire and the kids PC? Maybe a separate Linux box with a big hard drive. Lock it down so the kids can't bypass it. Have it log everything that comes in over the wire. It wouldn't keep the kids from going where they shouldn't, but at least the parents would know where they've been (from that PC at least). If the parents don't want them rummaging around the Net, then the various "net nanny"-type things are probably the best bet, but they have a reputation for not working well (not blocking all adult sites, and blocking legitimate sites). I guess it comes down to what the parents want done. If they want blocking, AFAIK you need software or AOL (I think they have arrangements with some DSL providers). If they want to know where the kids have been, then they need a way to keep track of where they've been. I hope this helps a tiny bit. Cheers, Scott.
Post #17,772 by orion 11/11/01 3:35:28 PM Reply	Another idea If you can, set up a local network and only have the Proxy server box hooked up to the Internet. Configure the proxy to filter out the "bad" sites or subscribe to a list that sends updated files that list the bad sites that children shouldn't visit. Make sure that the proxy logs every site visit to a log file for each day. Then review the web sites. If you see any porn sites, etc, have a serious talk with your children. If you cannot set up a network, see if you can find a proxy service on the Internet you can subscribe to that can block out the nasty sites. Also keep away from "Warez", "Cracks", "Hacker", and "Romz" sites because they usually have banner ads to porno sites. Just a click and a jump and away they go. [link\|http://www.junkbuster.com\|Junkbuster] is one proxy to look at, I think they let you set one up on your on computer. They do Windows as well as Unix. See if that could help you. *Picking up the pieces of my broken life.*
Post #17,817 by cforde 11/12/01 12:46:31 AM Reply	decor ...it would clash with the living room decore. Well then, how 'bout a snow or graphite iMac? I suppose indigo would be a little too much contrast. The living room is also rather too large for really intimate supervision. Well then, how 'bout a PowerMac and a nice big cinema display. :-) Going places and sees things forbidden is a social problem best solved with social means. Risk of embarrasement is very meaningful in that regard. Sitting in the livingroom exposed to view is an excellent reminder. Tandem surfing (parent & child) works well on many levels too. Have fun, Carl Forde

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