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Post #14,706 by addison 10/22/01 11:01:07 PM Reply	Other ways to look at it.. So there's a murderer and rapist on the run. He claims to be Islamic. Do you want the police to cease chasing him because its now Ramadan, and to arrest him would be to violate his religious beliefs? One of the downsides of starting a war (or joining it, or whatever you want to say) is that you don't get to choose when the other side will respond. Further, backing off because of an Islamic holiday furthers their claim that its an attack on Islam - why else would we be stopping if we weren't "recognizing" that its Islam we're fighting? If our "allies" want to stop and pray, more power to 'em. We're after criminals who have declared war. And war is hell. Addison
Post #14,752 by marlowe 10/23/01 9:11:39 AM Reply	I'm presuming that we can keep an eye on the situation... and make sure he doens't escape in the meantime. If that turns out not to be the case, I'll modify my position accordingly. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html] Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
Post #14,779 by addison 10/23/01 11:23:08 AM Reply	Problem is... But the main problem is if he does do something, then you're still in the same boat you would have been ANYWAY. Halting any planned attacks plays into his hands, and quite frankly, I don't see any real benefit to it. He picked the time, he knew Ramadan was coming up. That's not our problem. If he wants to propose a truce during that time, then you've got a point. If he proposes one, and we turn it down, that would be bad. But to unilaterally stop action? Bad move. Addison
Post #14,847 by Ashton 10/23/01 7:54:08 PM Reply	I can't parse it any better than that either. Dubya has surprised many, in going along with the better informed. And while I question the track record of several of his dad's cronies - in their statements and actions then.. There is at least the appearance of nascent tact. No point in second guessing from our ignorance of lots of sub-rosa machinations I am sure we are not privy to. I'll extend a conditional faith in Mr. Powell.. Ashton

November 17th deadline for military action - (bluke) - (112) - Oct. 22, 2001, 08:50:44 AM EDT

Re: November 17th deadline for military action - (addison) - (10) - Oct. 22, 2001, 11:26:27 AM EDT

Sensitivity is very important here - (Steven A S) - (9) - Oct. 22, 2001, 01:31:46 PM EDT

I don't think so. - (addison) - (8) - Oct. 22, 2001, 01:56:37 PM EDT

But what of sensitivity toward Islam itself? - (marlowe) - (6) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:15:06 PM EDT

Ah, the tolerance of the man. - (Silverlock) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:44:46 PM EDT

Missing the point - (hnick) - Oct. 22, 2001, 03:28:13 PM EDT

Other ways to look at it.. - (addison) - (3) - Oct. 22, 2001, 11:01:07 PM EDT

I'm presuming that we can keep an eye on the situation... - (marlowe) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:11:39 AM EDT

Problem is... - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:23:08 AM EDT

I can't parse it any better than that either. - (Ashton) - Oct. 23, 2001, 07:54:08 PM EDT

I see the fence sitters as - (Steven A S) - Oct. 22, 2001, 03:16:24 PM EDT

Re: November 17th deadline for military action - (rsf) - (40) - Oct. 22, 2001, 01:10:47 PM EDT

Tend to agree. Remember the Tet Offensive? - (drewk) - (39) - Oct. 22, 2001, 01:54:52 PM EDT

Thank you for reading my mind. - (jb4) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:07:45 PM EDT

Fool me twice, shame on me. - (marlowe) - (37) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:31:55 PM EDT

Re: Fool me twice, shame on me. - (addison) - (36) - Oct. 22, 2001, 11:06:09 PM EDT

Re: Wakeup call: So many missing the point - (dmarker2) - (35) - Oct. 23, 2001, 04:54:45 AM EDT

!Vietnam - (kmself) - (30) - Oct. 23, 2001, 06:39:46 AM EDT

Re: Not the same debate ??? - (dmarker2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 07:50:19 AM EDT

Death toll majority non-citizens? - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 08:05:07 AM EDT

Wikipedia - (kmself) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2001, 06:57:41 PM EDT

The numbers are in flux. AP story. - (Another Scott) - Oct. 23, 2001, 07:14:11 PM EDT

Where thugs come from - (Silverlock) - (4) - Oct. 23, 2001, 08:38:10 AM EDT

Yep. But not as late as the 20th century - (admin) - (3) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:19:44 AM EDT

to google or not to google - (Silverlock) - (2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:32:38 AM EDT

My own faulty memory... - (admin) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:49:14 AM EDT

Vaguely remember a movie about this - (Silverlock) - Oct. 23, 2001, 10:09:59 AM EDT

Tremendous analogy! - (jb4) - (1) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:17:16 AM EDT

Cancer - (kmself) - Oct. 23, 2001, 06:11:27 PM EDT

You make me look moderate by comparison! - (marlowe) - (17) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:27:54 AM EDT

Its a common sense approach. - (addison) - (16) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:33:54 AM EDT

Re: who is the 'they' you write of ? - (dmarker2) - (15) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:09:41 PM EDT

They is somewhat fluid, depending on context. - (addison) - (14) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:27:04 PM EDT

Re: I think you have lost sight of who - (dmarker2) - (13) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:54:10 PM EDT

No, its not I with the lost sight. - (addison) - (12) - Oct. 24, 2001, 12:21:37 AM EDT

Re: Springing Bin Laden's trap - (dmarker2) - (11) - Oct. 24, 2001, 01:57:45 AM EDT

Re: Springing Bin Laden's trap - (addison) - (10) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:57:24 AM EDT

Re: Consider this ... - (dmarker2) - (9) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:32:55 AM EDT

Re: Consider this ... - (addison) - (8) - Oct. 24, 2001, 11:19:18 AM EDT

Re: stick to the facts - (dmarker2) - (7) - Oct. 24, 2001, 07:58:28 PM EDT

I'm not the one moving away from them - (addison) - (6) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:19:23 PM EDT

Re: wrapping up - (dmarker2) - (5) - Oct. 25, 2001, 05:22:16 AM EDT

Re: wrapping up - (addison) - (4) - Oct. 25, 2001, 08:59:45 PM EDT

Re: wrapping up - another try - (dmarker2) - (3) - Oct. 25, 2001, 10:20:55 PM EDT

Retch out? - (wharris2) - (2) - Oct. 26, 2001, 02:49:02 AM EDT

Ah.. the 1+1 certain logic of the unwarranted kewl buttinski -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 26, 2001, 03:11:02 AM EDT

Re: Retch out? - (dmarker2) - Oct. 26, 2001, 06:36:21 AM EDT

OT: thugs. And comments. - (Another Scott) - Oct. 23, 2001, 03:08:35 PM EDT

Getting into possible Godwin territory, but... - (jb4) - (3) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:14:19 AM EDT

Also, Nazism wasn't backed by an ancient and venerable... - (marlowe) - Oct. 23, 2001, 09:34:55 AM EDT

Re: Getting into possible Godwin territory, Headfirst !!! - (dmarker2) - Oct. 23, 2001, 10:19:49 AM EDT

Point of order. Godwin. - (Ashton) - Oct. 23, 2001, 08:15:27 PM EDT

Good time - (JayMehaffey) - (2) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:30:10 PM EDT

We'll have a great advantage in winter though. - (admin) - (1) - Oct. 22, 2001, 02:34:08 PM EDT

Possibly. - (addison) - Oct. 22, 2001, 11:03:27 PM EDT

Re: November 17th deadline for military action - (gtall) - (56) - Oct. 23, 2001, 08:12:13 PM EDT

Re: It is simpler than that - (dmarker2) - (55) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:13:44 PM EDT

Less simple. - (addison) - (8) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:33:18 PM EDT

Re: 'they' - yet again - (dmarker2) - (7) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:44:35 PM EDT

No. - (addison) - (6) - Oct. 23, 2001, 11:48:16 PM EDT

No. No No - (dmarker2) - (5) - Oct. 24, 2001, 04:18:43 AM EDT

Alas, I'm afraid that in US - it will likely be about - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 05:43:19 AM EDT

Re: No. No No - (addison) - (3) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:03:00 AM EDT

Re: No. No No - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2001, 11:40:51 AM EDT

Re: No. No No - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2001, 12:09:27 PM EDT

Re: No. No No - (dmarker2) - Oct. 24, 2001, 08:00:02 PM EDT

Re: It is simpler than that - (gtall) - (45) - Oct. 24, 2001, 07:31:31 AM EDT

Re: Cant even you see ... - (dmarker2) - (44) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:45:45 AM EDT

You're not seeing something very important. - (addison) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:51:04 AM EDT

Re: maybe we are honing in on something here - (dmarker2) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:25:43 AM EDT

Re: Cant even you see ... - (gtall) - (22) - Oct. 24, 2001, 04:13:54 PM EDT

Heh.. luck? - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 04:40:16 PM EDT

Re: Cant even you see ... - (dmarker2) - (20) - Oct. 24, 2001, 07:47:36 PM EDT

Ashton has a kernel of a good idea ... - (gtall) - (19) - Oct. 25, 2001, 08:28:13 AM EDT

Heh.. nice lateral pass near the (endzone?) - (Ashton) - (3) - Oct. 25, 2001, 05:20:07 PM EDT

Re: Heh.. nice lateral pass near the (endzone?) - (gtall) - (2) - Oct. 26, 2001, 01:38:06 PM EDT

I'm *certain* that you know my fav academia quote (!) - (Ashton) - (1) - Oct. 26, 2001, 02:29:54 PM EDT

Re: I'm *certain* that you know my fav academia quote (!) - (gtall) - Oct. 27, 2001, 07:37:22 AM EDT

Re: Greatly enjoyed that ... - (dmarker2) - (14) - Oct. 26, 2001, 08:11:00 AM EDT

Re: Greatly enjoyed that ... - (gtall) - (13) - Oct. 26, 2001, 01:42:27 PM EDT

OK.. Spike Jones! (In Der F\ufffdehrer's Face)____:-\ufffd - (Ashton) - (12) - Oct. 26, 2001, 03:07:55 PM EDT

Re: OK.. Spike Jones! & the city slickers - beetlebomb - (dmarker2) - (3) - Oct. 26, 2001, 07:23:56 PM EDT

Re: OK.. Spike Jones! & the city slickers - beetlebomb - (gtall) - (2) - Oct. 27, 2001, 07:42:52 AM EDT

Also, Car Talk on NPR - "Click & Clack the Tappit brothers" -NT - (a6l6e6x) - Oct. 27, 2001, 10:45:05 AM EDT

They seemed closest that.. '50s Murican culture could abide - (Ashton) - Oct. 27, 2001, 05:47:43 PM EDT

Dinner music for people who aren't really hungry - (wharris2) - (7) - Oct. 27, 2001, 08:30:44 AM EDT

Re: Ear candy for the noise hungry - (dmarker2) - (6) - Oct. 27, 2001, 10:37:27 AM EDT

Re: Ear candy for the noise hungry - (wharris2) - (5) - Oct. 27, 2001, 05:23:38 PM EDT

Re: Ear candy for the noise hungry - (dmarker2) - (4) - Oct. 27, 2001, 09:25:40 PM EDT

Re: Ear candy for the noise hungry - (wharris2) - (3) - Oct. 27, 2001, 11:00:38 PM EDT

Re: We live in interesting times - (dmarker2) - (2) - Oct. 28, 2001, 12:55:41 AM EDT

cackle - (wharris2) - (1) - Oct. 28, 2001, 03:36:15 AM EST

Re: cackle - (dmarker2) - Oct. 28, 2001, 03:48:39 AM EST

Human Shields, Information Warfare - (kmself) - (18) - Oct. 24, 2001, 05:14:32 PM EDT

Is there reason to believe US means to stifle al-Jazeera? - (Ashton) - (5) - Oct. 24, 2001, 05:49:05 PM EDT

Yes - (kmself) - (4) - Oct. 24, 2001, 06:29:38 PM EDT

No less disturbing, for being so utterly unsurprising :[ -NT - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 06:45:02 PM EDT

What? - (addison) - (2) - Oct. 24, 2001, 06:45:52 PM EDT

Well.. both are still in bizness - (Ashton) - Oct. 24, 2001, 07:21:55 PM EDT

Mahr was publicly censured, Onion commented on it - (kmself) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:09:00 PM EDT

Re: A well argued and reasoned case - thanks - (dmarker2) - (11) - Oct. 24, 2001, 08:11:23 PM EDT

I think you're missing something. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Oct. 24, 2001, 09:20:12 PM EDT

Re: I think you're missing something. - (dmarker2) - Oct. 25, 2001, 08:23:10 AM EDT

Taliban troops - (kmself) - (8) - Oct. 24, 2001, 10:22:09 PM EDT

Re: Taliban troops - US invasion ? - (dmarker2) - (5) - Oct. 25, 2001, 08:26:22 AM EDT

Occupation - (kmself) - (4) - Oct. 25, 2001, 04:00:55 PM EDT

Re: Occupation - (wharris2) - (2) - Oct. 26, 2001, 02:55:27 AM EDT

Bosnia - (kmself) - Oct. 26, 2001, 03:52:30 PM EDT

Kosovo - (Arkadiy) - Oct. 26, 2001, 04:33:56 PM EDT

Occupation update: SF Chron, US to base ops in Afghanistan - (kmself) - Oct. 29, 2001, 11:08:28 PM EST

Who is going to deal with these refugees? - (bluke) - (1) - Oct. 25, 2001, 11:12:35 AM EDT

Changes like a kaleidoscope daily.. - (Ashton) - Oct. 25, 2001, 11:19:17 PM EDT

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