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New Re: More clear now.
You are talking about "morals" of entire people?

Yes, that was the context in which it was presented.

We're discussing morals across people.

The problem is its really something that's not defineable. Morals for 1 person aren't, either, but its a different problem. The best we can do is make approximations of understanding of individual's morals.

So I'm talking of the "morals" of a culture, a society. By definition you have to have some shared morals to have either/both of those. 4 people can meet in America, and talk, and all of whom have some morals opposed to the others. But some morals will be the same.

The idea of morality is one of those philisophical ones. Sometimes its by force you create/enforce morality. "I don't mind stealing from the Huge Store, but if I do, I'll get put in jail". (More often seen as "They won't mind, they're so big, this won't affect them").

But trying to drill down to the root as far as is possible, you get to "why are you doing what you're doing?" Why don't you want to be worried that anybody else on the street doesn't ascribe to *your* moral code that killing is wrong?

After all, its *possible* that *anybody* you pass on the street doesn't.

But its not very likely.

But adultery is amoral regardless. See the difference? And it does not matter is the law is lax or stric or equal. People (persons) know that it's wrong to sleep with another's husband/wife.

This is another case where "moral" is too strong of a word, there's too many sub categories to file that under. Some people are Ok with that. Some cultures, its quite normal. Others, its not. Even inside say a smaller subset, its still one of those "it depends" issues.

With regard to anarchy: here is the definition -
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
I meant sence 1. Which one did you have in mind?


3.

But it's not necessarily what religion (church) says. But that's a different discussion.

It *was* [what they said] just a few hundred years ago. Until very very recently, in time scales.

Addison
New End of discussion?
OK, I think we can complete this discussion now. You were talking about morals of peoples (which I find a horrible misuse of the term, but that's irrelevant). I was talking about the sence of right and wrong "given" to an individual. How those 2 things interact is a whole another topic.
New In a sense.
Because its a much bigger discussion than this. :)

Addison
New And I _do_ avoid Religion forum for a reason :)
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                     Not really. - (addison) - (17)
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                             Not an expert. - (addison) - (14)
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                                                 More clear now. - (Arkadiy) - (4)
                                                     Re: More clear now. - (addison) - (3)
                                                         End of discussion? - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                                                             In a sense. - (addison) - (1)
                                                                 And I _do_ avoid Religion forum for a reason :) -NT - (Arkadiy)
                                         Japanese 'saving' in context. - (Ashton)
                                     Japanese Highway men (sorta - it's more long term than that) - (Simon_Jester)
                                 Hate - (Brandioch) - (2)
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                                     Song: "You Have to be Carefully Taught" (to Hate) - (Ashton)
                             The chinese will contract a debt for several generations -NT - (boxley)
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                         That's what I hoped to get from you... - (Arkadiy)
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                             Never fear, I am. - (addison) - (7)
                                 I think I caught your show a few months ago... - (screamer) - (1)
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                                     I think there is an unwarranted assumption there - (ben_tilly) - (3)
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                                             ya also find beer containers ]:-> -NT - (boxley)
                                             I think you missed the point - (ben_tilly)
                             C'mon Gerard - (Ashton)
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                         SIngle biggest influence was science fiction? - (marlowe) - (2)
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