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Post #129,084 by broomberg 12/5/03 10:40:54 AM Reply	Hehe I was a druggie missionary. It was so much fun, I spent a lot of effort sharing. Would you really want your kids exposed to me at that time frame? Your young, impressionable, easily manipulated kids? There is always a crossover time when kids simply do not make what we would call rational decisions. Hey, let's see if the 12 year old will ignore the cool 14 year old when the cool 14 year old offers him a hit. As far as the slippery slope: BS!!!!! This is not restricting the behaviour of adults based on the argument of how this behaviour may affect kids. Nice try. This is a state mandated environment (unless you have the skills / time / $$ for home school or private) which kids are thrown together, poorly supervised, away from the control of their parents.
Post #129,177 by Ashton 12/5/03 5:54:03 PM Reply	Rationalize what it Really Is, all you want - It's a popular pastime, that. This is about the puppy-dog's tail being cut off an inch at a time.. so he doesn't 'notice'. Every parent really wants: a Protective Bubble around My Kid and screw the fact of the environment, the kultur We Have Created / Condoned == The Same. IMhO. A nation of individual solipsists? Why do regular users of drugs do so? (as opposed to the usual and encouraged; inculcated! habits of standard recreational Pleasure-seekers: the very backbone of the acquisitive, consumption-oriented society which we nurture.) Usual psych extra-verbose explanations reduce to variants of ~"because they Can't Stand the milieu in which they happen to find themselves!" and will escape it At Any Cost\ufffd (Corollary - most of these feel "helpless to extricate selves from whatever that milieu's local form takes - either for financial or psychological 'lack'" - is often the second common denominator deduced.) But WTF - we Can bury that too; just another simplistic no-brainer War On ___. THAT is Who 'We' Are. First the euphemism, then the non-solution. EZ fix. Like Service Pack 2 fixes Doze. Thanks for your vote for continued homogenization of all inmates - it's sure a lot simpler than changing Root causes, I always say. Children have Rights ??? [Hah] But I calls it sophistry, in search of ferreting out any remnants of the Constitution -as are still ~working- and a standard evasion of the hard work of bringing up an autonomous kid. No Matter in What 'Milieu' cha cha cha (and.. you can't plead 'poverty' - right?) Ashton Bubbles.. blow AND suck.
Post #129,181 by broomberg 12/5/03 6:56:55 PM Reply	Even a bubble won't help Ben But I wouldn't mind trying. He's old enough to have passed the moment of not being responsible for the decision. Sara, on the other hand, still lives in the fantasy of childhood world. If I error on any side of restrictions on kids in favor of safety, I don't mind. If it is in an area where I do NOT have control, that they MUST be in, then I want it as safe a possible. All that talk about parental responsibility is worthless when your kids spend more hours away from you than with you. I've done the best I can by living in an area known for good schools and biting the bullet on taxes for them. But even these schools have a percentage of druggies that I'd like to see GONE. Am I delving into Marlowe territory for such a stance? Maybe. I'm willing to accept it.
Post #129,187 by Ashton 12/5/03 8:00:37 PM Reply	Sympathies As one with no dog in this fight, no need to next turn over an offspring to this 'thing' that substitutes for school just now - I'd be just another sanctimonious twit, if I pretended that the course is clear. No doubt you see the trade-offs, maybe even as "short term"? - and later we can fix the ugly side. But you know how such plans go, too. Afraid we'd be on opposite sides of the barricade re "All Search All the Time", as I recall how (a few, small) betrayals by Big people affected my experience of what 'trust' might mean, as a tad. And in the present Neoconman enviro - I don't think any even 'small' further loss of individual rights is.. too small to fight against. Ashton
Post #129,202 by boxley 12/5/03 10:07:17 PM Reply	I only had a dollar to live on till next sunday so I spent it all on comfort for my mind. a snowblind friend thanx, bill "You're just like me streak. You never left the free-fire zone.You think aspirins and meetings and cold showers are going to clean out your head. What you want is God's permission to paint the trees with the bad guys. That wont happen big mon." Clete questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #129,209 by broomberg 12/5/03 10:36:31 PM Reply	Huh? A dollar does not buy enough snow to make you blind.
Post #129,215 by jake123 12/5/03 11:41:35 PM Reply	Snowblind, by Steppenwolf Worth a listen. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #129,243 by deSitter 12/6/03 8:36:05 AM Reply	Acutally Hoyt Axton song He was an authority on heroin addiction, being an addict himself. He also co-authored "The Pusher", a virulent anti-drug anthem. Despite their bad-attitude stage presence, Steppenwolf were actually a cerebral band that eschewed excess and "the lifestyle". The frontman, John Kay, was an Iron Curtain refugee who had landed in Canada with his family. Something about Canada causes people to become musical - the list is endless. Hoyt Axton was a genial giant whose magnificent baritone voice was everywhere in advertising up until his early death in 1999. [link\|http://www.sixcats.com/axton/hoyt.htm\|http://www.sixcats.com/axton/hoyt.htm] He wrote songs for everyone from Elvis to Three Dog Night. He's the most widely infuential unknown in rock history. -drl

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