What the *FUCK* are you gibbering about, mr Alzheimer ?!?

Post #125,921 by CRConrad 11/16/03 4:21:02 PM 11/17/03 2:22:28 AM Reply	What the FUCK are you gibbering about, mr Alzheimer ?!? I haven't said anything about this before, but now I feel it needs to be said: You're out of your fucking gourd, Ashton. If you had analyzed the events, as you claim to have done, you might have noticed a common factor in what transpired: 1) Karsten gets stuff mailed to the list that he knows people have in the past protested at having mailed to the list. 2) Karsten blows a fuse and starts slinging insults when -- who'd have thought it? -- people protest at having this stuff mailed to the list. 3) When someone protests Karsten's insults / continues to protest his initial action, Karsten blows another fuse and abuses his list-admin privileges. 4) When the protests -- over 1, 2, and 3 together and/or separately -- continue, Karsten ups and leaves in a huff. The common factor, since you seem to have become too fucking addled in your old age to figure it out on your own, is Karsten. It was he who did the same old shit that led to protests a year ago, he who couldn't take the to-be-expected protests that erupted now, he who abused his list admin status, and he who went off in a huff like some fucking prancing drama queen. And YOU have the fucking GALL to whine here for half a week, slinging all kinds of bullshit at everyone else!?! You're so fucking way out of kilter, it isn't even funny any more. Now do yourself a favour and shut the fuck up until you've pulled your head out of your arse. [Edit: Corrected title from the watered-down version for the original forum.] [Edit-Edit: Finally really Corrected the title.] [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Resident [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=119792\|zIWETHEY pilkunnussija] Edited by CRConrad Nov. 16, 2003, 04:22:15 PM EST Edited by CRConrad Nov. 17, 2003, 02:22:28 AM EST Expand All History
Post #125,925 by admin 11/16/03 5:15:18 PM Reply	... "HECK" is the corrected version?? Tsk. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #125,926 by Another Scott 11/16/03 6:01:38 PM Reply	Ha! :-)
Post #125,928 by ChrisR 11/16/03 6:33:51 PM Reply	That's what being a parent will do :-)
Post #125,968 by Ashton 11/17/03 1:40:10 AM 11/17/03 7:16:43 AM Reply	Pshaw___and: no. (to your suggested behaviour pattern) More than likely I'll continue to comment following any raucous event of bogus analysis-of-gossip via parsing its sentences -- in about any venue. And when the bogus is applauded - why that'll be another quaint ritual to disbelieve and meretriculate. Then when excoriated (with a bit less virtuosity than usual - whasammata, don't I rate the A-Team anymore, Sonny?) for Part B, why.. here comes Part C - I've read more crap on this (and more sources than, I deem - you have). But I paid more attention to the seed, and the very familiar caterwauling (for the second time in a year) of the now ex-Yaz. LOved his sanctimonious {sniff} farewell, following the trashing of "a List I didn't find very useful". And the "leaving earlier than I'd planned" - why that was pure Quayle-ish in its pompous insincerity. And you want to flay Karsten for bein impetuous (and creative, and experimental) and hangin around here (and posting more detailed, meticulous stuff in TWiki than anyone - including co-authorship of the lovely G&S Spoof) - as if he's some dim-wit Wacko? Izzat It, oh macro-measurer of the hoary-phrase? Was Karsten's immediate riposte excessive? I mean .. WTF DOES "fuck you" connnote, in this band of brawling peripatetic info-scoundrels - anyway? Is that approximately "Hey.. Wrong-o Budd-o" or Vastly-worse? Was Karsten's de-listing (in temporary fashion - as opposed to the Full Beefeaters Formal Banning Parade) an indication of a fatally deranged Madman or, maybe someone with too little sleep and pissed off? Capital crime or - an indication to Management: STOP! .. ..TAKE THE TIME TO COOL OUT and then - rip One epaulet? You Be the Judge\ufffd and I Know you Will. Then the pile-on ramped up, with imputations of "Regular Mischief" and "Self-Serving" ~~ "appropriation of a resource" yada fucking yada - ignoring the point that (whether wanted by a majority [something not yet knowable] or opposed by an Instant-yammering provocateur; shades of Aberdeen) -- this was about adding an optional feature for any who might want to use it - at the humongous COST of 2-ish 'messages' to the fucking queue.. for this silly little test. My, technocrats: Such A BF-Deal! Haemmorrhoid Material for Some; wft IS this place: Barry's giga-Ads/msec production facility or something? Any way one searches for euphemisms - a dismal juvenile charade. And I said so. And may do such mad things, just because. No likeee - tough shit, Ol Buddy; (but sorry to see yer losin it; yup def. signs of mellow ;-) Nobody fucks with Paul Lazzaro Edit: Forgot - Can Karsten be a bit of a prick, on occasion? I suppose so, given the inputs so far. Personally though, I prefer: Accuse/Trial/Hang rather than other preferred sequences, even where time is so incredibly precious, as in this production facility. There: Fair and Balanced Reportage. I'll go farther - you may in fact be Right-On, in your simple summary - as recent information suggests - but I could not See It, given the blanket of pile-on noise, which I found particularly odious. The "analysis of gossip" is always and everywhere Still bogus, IMO. Truth will out, eventually. Maybe just as well that it isn't stark.. Edited by Ashton Nov. 17, 2003, 01:46:24 AM EST Edited by Ashton Nov. 17, 2003, 07:16:43 AM EST Expand All History
Post #125,987 by bepatient 11/17/03 7:42:29 AM Reply	Oh ferchrissakes.... nobody...not one fucking person...not even Rick...has stated that they would have done the same. All have said that given the lists, (many have said over)reaction last year...they would have simply used another address. Besides...that list address is harder to fucking remember that the alternatives THAT WERE AVAILABLE AND KNOWN!!! Yes...its seems like a trivial reason to lose such a valuable asset...and indeed it is...BUT NOONE HERE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. He >quit<. I personally wish he wouldn't have. I even apologized for misstatements made. One of which the owl actually proved out to NOT be a misstatment. We won't go into how well that was received. Lets just say the note flown sounds better in Metallica songs. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #125,988 by CRConrad 11/17/03 7:44:12 AM Reply	You're still bullshitting. [Some older stuff that slunk in:] Personally though, I prefer: Accuse/Trial/Hang rather than other preferred sequences, even where time is so incredibly precious, as in this production facility. Still, nobody else "hung" Karsten. He unsubscribed himself from the mailing list (that is, at least he said he would, Idunno); he himself bid us a dramatic adieu and vowed never to come back. (And then apparently -- but this is admittedly hearsay, so label it "gossip" if you will [but do you really want to accuse her of outright lying?] -- mailed the Fluffybird exhortations to "correct" the "damage" she had "caused"! What fucking way of pissing off is that, if you're simultaneously trying to weasel in your input through the back door?!?) Hilarious (to be fair, probably intentionally): There: Fair and Balanced Reportage. Yeah, right, mr Fairwitness... [Responding to Ashton's Edit-added last paragraph:] I'll go farther - you may in fact be Right-On, in your simple summary - as recent information suggests - but I could not See It, given the blanket of pile-on noise, which I found particularly odious. The "analysis of gossip" is always and everywhere Still bogus, IMO. WHAT fucking "analysis of gossip" ??? The most gossip-y posts I've seen on this subject are still yours. And WHAT fucking "pile-on noise" ??? Are people not allowed to speak up when shit they don't like happens? Is it somehow "unfair" for several people to respond, when ALL those several people have been insulted, just because the insult-er is one and the insult-ees are many? Is it somehow an evil conspiracy -- which seems to be what you're trying to imply with your "piling on" crap -- for each of them to defend himself (and in the process possibly his friends)? Truth will out, eventually. Maybe just as well that it isn't stark.. It was always there, pretty fucking stark naked for everyone to see. You must have chosen not to see it. [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Resident [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=119792\|zIWETHEY pilkunnussija]
Post #126,248 by Ashton 11/18/03 6:22:38 AM Reply	Last reply on topic. That an Admin matter on a peripheral list spilled-over 'here' - started this. And the way it got here, fuzzy - piqued the standard desire to know all the details. That having occurred, Karsten chose not to provide his version, complaints; chose to split in high dudgeon. Leaving only: hey, Something happened. My bitching has been about the embellished speculations that went on and on and - in your nom-de-plumage, the avian "analysis" of the rumors: as-if that rehash of "what other non-combatants said" might produce, close-enough to 'truth'. It was just rearranging the hearsay and opinions IMO; I bitched because I disagree that it clarified anything, and I think that distinction important - whether or not you do. (And Owlet was prodded to play this, as she has said - reluctantly.) You can read the sequence any way you like. I read it this way. All along, the Admins clearly refrained from "giving a version". So why not clear up the rumours? I believe they kept silent, simply to spare Karsten's feelings, as any pointed recitation would only dredge up private exchanges (as got dredged up anyway! but obliquely, as hearsay..) In choosing this, so have they been open to speculations - as Bad Guys in some aspect. IM semi-informed opinion, there were no Bad guys (decisions) and that silence was the honorable, if tough choice.) Kudos to all. So finally - yes, your simple-summary is close enough - but I can't see that you had any more first-person confirmation than the rest, your pompous Let Me Explain, notwithstanding. I regret we had to hear Anybody's side unless both. That's Karsten's choice (too). I suppose it was unavoidable to want all the whys, when someone around here this long stomps out - even when nobody who Knows is talking. I thought our cure was worse than the disease, but - I shoulda left it dying out the first time - even if pissed at the process. We don't always get closure. Mea culpa. Guess we can go back to sleep, til somebody invades something new, next. Ashton

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