Post #125,047
11/11/03 2:43:05 AM
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This is all very fscked up
I don't care who is right or wrong. We've been together for a long time and we should remain intact.
This kind of thing is what I had in mind so long ago when I was skeptical about administrative power residing among groups members. Of course, the administrators have handled it very well - but there is a loss, nevertheless. Scott in particular, can't "let his hair down" it seems - because responsibility requires a degree of aloofness, even among friends. I wish he could just be "No.1 programmer Scott" again.
I read over the threads in the mailing list. I have no comment about the issue, the players, or the outcome, other than this - some of the people who were most vocal in the thread never bother coming around here to even say "hi" once in a while. Now, this may just be my "inferior thinking function" ruining my judgment, but I think a lot of weight has to be given to the fact that Karsten is always here, sharing his knowledge and experiences with us - and that somehow "counts" for more than a mailing list. I'll leave it at that. Lord knows I've been crazy with frustration on many occasions, said and done stupid things, but I come back to this group because you people are my friends, and that's the bottom line. I think we should forget this issue and get K back here and go forward. Loyalty is more important than being right.
-drl
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Post #125,062
11/11/03 6:19:30 AM
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This is sort of reason why OLMRs were good.
Back in the days of FidoNet, people used Offline Mail Readers to batch-download new messages in their areas of interest, read and contributed over a few days and uploaded their responses when getting the next download. There was therefore a built-in cooling off period for hot messages - a chance to go back to your vitriol before you uploaded it and water it down or even delete it. It was a side-effect a lot of people appreciated.
Nowadays email is too instant and it is too easy to send things better left to render down for a while, as it were.
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #125,103
11/11/03 10:19:10 AM
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Personal response to Ross
Ross, Re: Lord knows I've been crazy with frustration on many occasions, said and done stupid things, but I come back to this group because you people are my friends, and that's the bottom line. If stupid were currency, we'd all be rich! I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion. jb4
"There are two ways for you to have lower Prescription-drug costs. One is you could hire Rush Limbaugh's housekeeper ... or you can elect me President."
John Kerry
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Post #125,147
11/11/03 12:43:55 PM
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Re: Personal response to Ross
If stupid were currency, we'd all be rich! I wholeheartedly agree with your assertion. I agree also. Everyone makes mistakes, and screws up. Unless it's clear that they "aren't sorry", not the case here, or "don't intend to change it", also does not seem to be the case here, they deserve to get another chance. I hope Karsten calms down and comes back, and I'll keep the entire situation in my prayers for a good resolution. Nightowl >8# "I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"
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Post #125,104
11/11/03 10:22:39 AM
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Werd.
Peter
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Post #125,115
11/11/03 10:55:20 AM
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'Nother werd
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Post #125,128
11/11/03 11:45:17 AM
11/11/03 11:58:31 AM
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The way I see it
Karsten apologized and admitted to doing something wrong out of anger, lack of sleep, etc. He made a mistake, admitted to it and now he is gone. Look at all the mistakes I've made, and things I have done and I am allowed back on. Sure not everyone has forgiven me, but I've tried not to make those mistakes again. Not everyone is perfect.
I think I recall a Yahoo Address I made a long time ago for registration use by the IWETHEY group. True I didn't use a mailing list address, I created a bogus one for group use. I think it was "iwethey0" IIRC, as someone else took "iwethey". [link|http://profiles.yahoo.com/iwethey0|http://profiles.yahoo.com/iwethey0] created 5/02/2001
As far as the password goes, it is "iwethey". It would be useful to read Yahoo Groups and register for online services using Yahoo mail using this account.
I know how privacy oriented everyone here is in not wanting to give out personal info, but still wanting to read articles that registration is required. Usually an iwethey/iwethey account is created to read articles.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
Edited by orion
Nov. 11, 2003, 11:58:31 AM EST
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Post #125,144
11/11/03 12:21:41 PM
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ummm... well... I... err... hmm... amaz...
/me picks up his jaw...
Norm, I cannot tell you how^W^W^W^W^W^W
I just don't quite^W^W^W^W
*FBOG*
You chime in and mess with my current read on the World.
Congratulations Norm, you for the time being are out of my TWIT/CSS File.
This has completely taken me by surprise.
You actually GOT and UNDERSTOOD the message trying to be relayed to Karsten.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
Indeed my world has been stood on ear.
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Post #125,149
11/11/03 12:48:43 PM
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Re: ummm... well... I... err... hmm... amaz...
He's changed a lot, Greg. I've watched it happen.
I don't completely get the entire situation, but I get the concept and I get the message being relayed, even if I don't understand all the technical details about mailing lists and other issues with that.
I see simply that someone made a command decision on their own without consulting the other Admins, and I consider that inconsiderate and wrong, as well as unfair to whomever the decision was about. Being a victim of that myself once, I completely relate to that part.
Nightowl >8#
"I learned to be the door, instead of the mat!" "illegitimi nil carborundum"
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Post #125,156
11/11/03 1:54:36 PM
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Dude...
Give the boy a break!
(Oh,...I guess you have...!)
Norm's posts of late have been much more focused, cogent, and on target. FWIW, I'm pleased that the spirit of reconcilliation has grabbed you, and you're willing to give Norm another reading. IMHO, he deserves it.
Now Marlowe, on the other hand,...........
jb4
"There are two ways for you to have lower Prescription-drug costs. One is you could hire Rush Limbaugh's housekeeper ... or you can elect me President."
John Kerry
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Post #125,173
11/11/03 3:45:24 PM
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I owe it all to my college class
I am learning how to read better and study better and focus better. I am taking a general studies class at the University of Phoenix and learning how to learn all over again. My doctor suggested it for me to help me out with my mental problems. I spend 40 hours a week dedicated to the class, 5 hours for class time, 5 hours for team time, and 30 hours for reading, studying, writing papers, research, and other misc stuff. Only one class at a time, but 5 weeks for that class in an accelerated learning. I just got back my first writing paper and got a 9 out of 10 on it, 90% is the most I've gotten on a written paper. Most of the grade was for critical thinking, flow, and creativity. All the hours I spend at it stress me out, but so far I am managing. If I last two years, I get a bachalor's degree in Business Management. If not, at least I learn something that might help me, and I need all the help I can get. :)
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #125,212
11/11/03 7:09:02 PM
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bloody Good Show, Norman!
As you seem to be finding out.. sometimes the "class content" doesn't matter at all.. but the focussed (A)ttention appears to be exactly what the (chemistry of the) neurons Need to make new pathways. Don't have to know anything about their 'chemistry' beyond: It Works.
(This I have also personally verified to be similar re "how the body moves" - something most of us stopped paying attention-to after about 3 yo.. to our detriment. But that's Another thread sometime)
Hang in there,
Ashton
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Post #125,235
11/11/03 8:45:55 PM
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Well done Norm
My first response to one of your posts in quite a while. I had given up on you. Glad to see I was wrong to have done so. Continue with this. It seems to be working.
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It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why?
Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand.
Mike Royko
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Post #125,295
11/12/03 8:59:14 AM
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Starting from scratch?
If I last two years, I get a bachalor's degree in Business Management. Is that including prior credits from an incomplete degree? Or is that from ground zero to a degree in two years? If it's the latter, I might have to look into that. ===
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Post #125,390
11/12/03 4:00:55 PM
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I have an Associates Degree in Data Processing
but only half the credits transfered because my classes happened 13 years ago. Most of the DP classes are electives now or no longer taught. I am going for a Business Management degree, so they don't matter anyway.
Check out [link|http://www.phoenix.edu/|http://www.phoenix.edu/] for more info. That is where I go. They have 5 hours classes, once a week, for five weeks at a time. If you are starting from scratch, you may want to go to a Community College and take some CLEP exams and quiz out of the Math, Science, English, Critical Thinking, etc classes. Then apply at Phoenix. Usually the UOP is there for people returning to college that have some credits already. Almost everyone that goes there is working, few like me are out of work. They also have an option for online classes, and Flexnet classes that meet a few weeks and are online the rest.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #125,396
11/12/03 4:14:02 PM
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Thanks, may try to work it into my schedule
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Post #125,217
11/11/03 7:30:20 PM
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Irony alert
Greg wrote:
You actually GOT and UNDERSTOOD the message trying to be relayed to Karsten.
Would that be the very same message that you far, far more significantly ignored in [link|http://www.vtluug.org/pipermail/iwe/2003-November/001092.html|posting malign gossip that disclosed confidential e-mail discussion] about Karsten's rift with Nick Petreley?
That's only a small case of needed-apology compared to those other four clowns (who unlike you went berzerk), in my view, but the hypocrisy you're displaying rankles.
Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
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Post #125,219
11/11/03 7:47:55 PM
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Irony...
How the fuck are you sure I didn't know about it from other sources... I remember the event.
I was just reminded of it. By your comments Karsten.
If you want to start this Rick Go some where else and masturbate.
And Anyway, if it WAS a confidential e-mail discussion... HOW the FUCK do you know it. Other than Karsten Forwarding it to You, Ashton and Peter. Well since the bag is out you want I should tell them the rest of the story then?
And Karsten, you did... DID indeed tell Every fucking body about your Rift with Nicholas Peterely.
And once again I re-iterate -- RICK Go masturbate somewhere else. And I don't want you to miss the menaing here. Go away. And that is NOT a request.
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[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
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Post #125,237
11/11/03 8:52:07 PM
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Irony, indeed.
Greg wrote:
if it WAS a confidential e-mail discussion....
Which it was.
HOW the FUCK do you know it.
Because -- as you already know -- Karsten Cc'd me on the mail where he deplored your abuse of it. QED.
How the fuck are you sure I didn't know about it from other sources?
I call bullshit on your implication, whereby you are currently attempting to excuse the breach of trust inherent in that piece of malicious gossip: Feel free to show us a non-confidential source where one might previously have read that Karsten "hasn't spoken/had contact with to Nicolas Petreley in Years [sic], because of a public dressing down". Otherwise, have fun stewing in hypocrisy.
Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
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Post #125,238
11/11/03 8:56:25 PM
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Nope... I am not making an attempt.
As you will see, IF YOU CAN READ, on the mailing list.
I did apologize for that infraction.
Go gnaw on your own suet. And Quit Stirring up this bad soup.
Go do your Mental Masturbation elsewhere.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
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Post #125,242
11/11/03 9:23:40 PM
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Re: Nope... I am not making an attempt.
Greg wrote:
As you will see, IF YOU CAN READ, on the mailing list.
Came to my attention after my forum post. I am, of course, dropping that point, given your mailing list comment.
Rick Moen
rick@linuxmafia.com
If you lived here, you'd be $HOME already.
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