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Post #119,827 by mmoffitt 10/2/03 12:00:44 PM Reply	? So I should just "watch what I say, watch what I do" even in the people's air, right? bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
Post #119,844 by bepatient 10/2/03 1:45:08 PM Reply	Not quite... ...its more like...avoid doing this (and circling a nuclear facility would be an obvious thing to avoid) and everything is cool...if you do NOT avoid doing this...please expect us to have a few questions for you afterwards. Since when is it the "people's air"? Is that something that you expect to be different than say..."territorial waters"? If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #119,855 by jake123 10/2/03 2:41:53 PM Reply	It is the people's air just like you can take your boat anywhere you want in territorial waters. It's called mobility rights, and they are a very important part of the package of basic civil rights in a free society. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #119,861 by bepatient 10/2/03 3:29:18 PM Reply	But would I not... ...expect to be looked at somewhat suspiciously if I happen to park said boat in front of a nuclear sub facility...or should I be allowed to park it in the center of a shipping channel? You are certainly allowed to use the airspace...however you are required to be licensed and you must meet certain requirements to operate inside said "air". So while you consider it a "right"...it is pretty much handled as a priviledge (much like drivers licensing) and can have (and does) a certain measure of control over it dictated by the state. If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #119,869 by mmoffitt 10/2/03 4:22:24 PM Reply	Not Xactly. Owner built aircraft do not require the pilot to hold a license to fly in the nation's airspace. We're talking about "uncontrolled airspace" here, not some Class C or monster Class B airspace. It is "ours" in much the same way as the airwaves used to be "ours". bcnu, Mikem The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism. - Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"

Is this a '5th Column' found within US Army ? - (dmarker) - (37) - Sept. 21, 2003, 03:46:08 AM EDT

If so, not the first one. - (a6l6e6x) - (2) - Sept. 21, 2003, 10:23:14 PM EDT

and Hansen? Or do mormons get a free pass? -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2003, 07:51:59 AM EDT

Hansen was FBI, not military. - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 22, 2003, 11:58:04 AM EDT

Hard to say from what I have seen - (JayMehaffey) - (9) - Sept. 21, 2003, 11:23:58 PM EDT

Amen to that sentiment. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (7) - Sept. 22, 2003, 11:58:40 AM EDT

Big question - (jake123) - (6) - Sept. 22, 2003, 12:02:47 PM EDT

The process needs to be open. -NT - (a6l6e6x) - (4) - Sept. 22, 2003, 12:30:05 PM EDT

Doesn't mean it will be - (jake123) - (3) - Sept. 22, 2003, 12:35:04 PM EDT

Military Court Martial - (jbrabeck) - (2) - Sept. 22, 2003, 01:29:57 PM EDT

Fertile ground for speculation - (jake123) - (1) - Sept. 22, 2003, 01:36:41 PM EDT

Every repressive regime requires a Bonhoeffer to appear - (Ashton) - Sept. 22, 2003, 06:09:32 PM EDT

Trial? What makes you think we still do that? -NT - (mmoffitt) - Sept. 23, 2003, 10:00:10 AM EDT

dreyfus case? -NT - (boxley) - Sept. 22, 2003, 11:00:19 PM EDT

Another Airman charged as spy for Syria - (JayMehaffey) - Sept. 23, 2003, 11:41:11 PM EDT

Third Gitmo related arrest - (JayMehaffey) - (22) - Sept. 30, 2003, 03:59:12 PM EDT

This is America. - (mmoffitt) - (19) - Sept. 30, 2003, 04:03:34 PM EDT

Hey...wait... - (bepatient) - (18) - Sept. 30, 2003, 04:14:00 PM EDT

You might want to run that by... - (mmoffitt) - (8) - Sept. 30, 2003, 04:32:53 PM EDT

Huh? - (bepatient) - (7) - Sept. 30, 2003, 05:42:22 PM EDT

You'd be amazed... - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Oct. 1, 2003, 01:31:30 PM EDT

Re: You'd be amazed... - (bepatient) - (5) - Oct. 1, 2003, 01:56:43 PM EDT

? - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Oct. 2, 2003, 12:00:44 PM EDT

Not quite... - (bepatient) - (3) - Oct. 2, 2003, 01:45:08 PM EDT

It is the people's air - (jake123) - (2) - Oct. 2, 2003, 02:41:53 PM EDT

But would I not... - (bepatient) - (1) - Oct. 2, 2003, 03:29:18 PM EDT

Not Xactly. - (mmoffitt) - Oct. 2, 2003, 04:22:24 PM EDT

Not a Cessna; an ultralight instead - (bbronson) - (8) - Sept. 30, 2003, 04:34:18 PM EDT

Amen. And, btw, ... - (mmoffitt) - (7) - Oct. 1, 2003, 01:32:25 PM EDT

Birds don't have nosewheels, either, so... - (bbronson) - (6) - Oct. 2, 2003, 11:50:35 AM EDT

Man, I almost envy you. - (mmoffitt) - (5) - Oct. 2, 2003, 12:02:34 PM EDT

No cross countries yet - (bbronson) - (4) - Oct. 2, 2003, 12:42:05 PM EDT

If it isn't 50 nm, it isn't. - (mmoffitt) - (3) - Oct. 2, 2003, 04:26:30 PM EDT

It's 70 nm from KUES to KMTW - (bbronson) - (2) - Oct. 3, 2003, 10:20:02 AM EDT

Cool. Have fun. - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Oct. 3, 2003, 04:21:42 PM EDT

Thanks. Already had airnav bookmarked! Great site - (bbronson) - Oct. 3, 2003, 05:16:21 PM EDT

Re: Third Gitmo related arrest - (deSitter) - (1) - Sept. 30, 2003, 04:19:43 PM EDT

You may also recall that the identities of the prisoners is - (a6l6e6x) - Sept. 30, 2003, 10:06:28 PM EDT

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